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Nimmy · 11-07-2006, 06:42 AM

ok here it is, what happens if Hughes beats GSP? i hope it doesnt happen but if it does surly diego is the next number 1 contender.

im having nightmares or should i say daymares which keep recurring of sanchez slamming elbows into Hughes face and winning the fight, diego the new WW champ?

Jras0001 · 11-07-2006, 07:41 AM

I think that they will probably put Diego against Penn, once hes healthy, before they finally give Sanchez a title shot. If Sanchez can get past Penn, then I dont think there is anyone that will argue that he doesnt deserve a title shot.

A match between Sanchez and Penn would be huge as far as viewers and fans go. There are so many die-hard Penn fans out there that would love nothing more than to see him destroy Sanchez and vice-versa. I think this would be a huge money maker for the UFC.

Bomber · 11-07-2006, 07:52 AM

I agree with everything you said Jras. It makes total sense to me. OTOH the UFC matchmaking often makes no sense. They're just as likely to give Sanchez a title shot next, or a can after Riggs. then the title shot.

Nimmy · 11-07-2006, 09:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Jras0001

I think that they will probably put Diego against Penn, once hes healthy, before they finally give Sanchez a title shot. If Sanchez can get past Penn, then I dont think there is anyone that will argue that he doesnt deserve a title shot.

A match between Sanchez and Penn would be huge as far as viewers and fans go. There are so many die-hard Penn fans out there that would love nothing more than to see him destroy Sanchez and vice-versa. I think this would be a huge money maker for the UFC.

what if Penn wins vs sanchez? we have a guy who has lost to the number 1 and number 2 WW fighters in the same year fighting for the title. does Penn deserve that shot over sanchez who is still undefeated? it pretty much reminds me of the Swick situation although i think Sanchez has earned it more

duke09 · 11-07-2006, 09:11 AM

i know i will ruffle a few feathers, but why should diego have to fight a man who has gone 0-2 in his last 2 fights?
i like penn, i like to watch him fight, but making diego fight someone who lost to GSP, still magically gets a title shot and loses it, how does he become a significant factor in determining if diego is the #1 contender?

i am not trying to break balls here, but as of late, diego has proven himself more than penn has. i realise that penn has lost some tough fights to tough guys, but a loss is a loss, irrespective of who it is to.

i think that diego has done enough to earn a title shot. besides, if serra or lyttle
are "entitled" diego sure as hell would have to be.

GeorgeXVX · 11-07-2006, 09:58 AM

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Originally Posted by duke09

i know i will ruffle a few feathers, but why should diego have to fight a man who has gone 0-2 in his last 2 fights?
i like penn, i like to watch him fight, but making diego fight someone who lost to GSP, still magically gets a title shot and loses it, how does he become a significant factor in determining if diego is the #1 contender?

i am not trying to break balls here, but as of late, diego has proven himself more than penn has. i realise that penn has lost some tough fights to tough guys, but a loss is a loss, irrespective of who it is to.

i think that diego has done enough to earn a title shot. besides, if serra or lyttle
are "entitled" diego sure as hell would have to be.

i agree with everything besides likeing penn.... give diego his tittle shot if he beats riggs. if riggs beats diego then maybe diego vs penn is in order to see where each of them stands. if riggs does win, would he fight karo and then the loser of gsp v hughes to set up his title shot? If karo was to beat Riggs who beat Diego would that put him back in the title picture. I still think he should get a shot if he can beat someone in the higher end of the WW pool of talent. Better yet if Karo beats riggs and lets say diez and gets his title shot... but then again gets injured... does bj penn get a title shot?

Nimmy · 11-07-2006, 10:02 AM

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Originally Posted by GeorgeXVX

i agree with everything besides likeing penn.... give diego his tittle shot if he beats riggs. if riggs beats diego then maybe diego vs penn is in order to see where each of them stands. if riggs does win, would he fight karo and then the loser of gsp v hughes to set up his title shot? If karo was to beat Riggs who beat Diego would that put him back in the title picture. I still think he should get a shot if he can beat someone in the higher end of the WW pool of talent. Better yet if Karo beats riggs and lets say diez and gets his title shot... but then again gets injured... does bj penn get a title shot?

karo lost to diego that couldv been his redemption

Bomber · 11-07-2006, 10:03 AM

I have no problem with Diego getting the next title shot, but I'll be surprised it if happens, just because of the way the UFC makes matches. As far as deserving the title shot, he beat Karo, the #4 ranked WW. That doesn't mean an automatic title shot. There are lots of possible scenarios; Sanchez could get the title shot, he could get the loser of GSP/Hughes, or Penn, or a lower-ranked fighter. I'll happily watch any of those fights except the last one. I don't want Diego to have another easy fight and just maintain the holding pattern. Get on with it, have him fight one of the other three.

PS: IMO this is one of those times where a fighter's fans are afraid of a match because it may derail their favourite. Diego fans are worried that Penn will take him out, so they want him to get the title shot now.

GeorgeXVX · 11-07-2006, 10:05 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

I have no problem with Diego getting the next title shot, but I'll be surprised it if happens, just because of the way the UFC makes matches. As far as deserving the title shot, he beat Karo, the #4 ranked WW. That doesn't mean an automatic title shot. There are lots of possible scenarios; Sanchez could get the title shot, he could get the loser of GSP/Hughes, or Penn, or a lower-ranked fighter. I'll happily watch any of those fights except the last one. I don't want Diego to have another easy fight and just maintain the holding pattern. Get on with it, have him fight one of the other three.

PS: IMO this is one of those times where a fighter's fans are afraid of a match because it may derail their favourite. Diego fans are worried that Penn will take him out, so they want him to get the title shot now.

Penn fans are worried that Penn will get another win for his record book but the judges in the UFC will tell the world that he was beated fair and square and needs to get over it.

subgenius · 11-07-2006, 10:05 AM

I think it unlikely that Diego will fight Penn prior to fighting for the WW belt. That is due to Penn's injury. Also, Diego would lose nothing by fighting and losing to Penn. If you rank Penn as #3 and Diego as #4, then a loss would just maintain that ranking. Should Penn lose to Diego, then THAT would change things and make Diego the defacto #3 WW.

Matt Hughes has GSP this month, and then the winner of TUF4 (Matt Serra, LOL -- I hope) gets a title shot (I guess in January or February, maybe later). That does give Penn time to heal. There would be a small window of opputunity for a Penn-Sanchez fight.

If Penn is not ready by May of 2007, then I see Diego Sanchez getting a title shot around that time (providing that Diego defeats Riggs and anyone else the UFC tosses at him).

GeorgeXVX · 11-07-2006, 10:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Nimmy

karo lost to diego that couldv been his redemption

lets say riggs beats diego and then fights karo. karo beats riggs and lets say bj penn. Either GSP or Hughes is on injury after an amazing fight and no one is left in his way. Gets GSP or Hughes and wins. First title defence, pending diego winning, would be diego in an amazing rematch that would make crazy money! that would be awesome. Deigo Karo 2 for the WW championship with KAro holding the belt. That i would fly to vegas to see!

subgenius · 11-07-2006, 10:11 AM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

I have no problem with Diego getting the next title shot, but I'll be surprised it if happens, just because of the way the UFC makes matches. As far as deserving the title shot, he beat Karo, the #4 ranked WW. That doesn't mean an automatic title shot. There are lots of possible scenarios; Sanchez could get the title shot, he could get the loser of GSP/Hughes, or Penn, or a lower-ranked fighter. I'll happily watch any of those fights except the last one. I don't want Diego to have another easy fight and just maintain the holding pattern. Get on with it, have him fight one of the other three.

PS: IMO this is one of those times where a fighter's fans are afraid of a match because it may derail their favourite. Diego fans are worried that Penn will take him out, so they want him to get the title shot now.

Honestly, Diego fans believe that he can defeat Penn. But, if Diego cannot beat Penn, then I find it highly unlikely that he could beat Matt Hughes or GSP. Sanchez can beat Penn, GSP, or Hughes. I believe that. I want Diego to beat all the top guys before taking that WW belt. I want Diego to defend that belt versus all the top MMA fighters that the UFC can find. And, Sanchez would NOT refuse any of the fights. He said that before, and I believed him. I do think that the UFC wants a 20-0 Sanchez to fight Hughes. That does look better. But, Karo was no can fight. That fight demonstrated that Diego is, indeed, for real.

Nimmy · 11-07-2006, 10:14 AM

yep iv never been a hater of diego but never been a real fan of his either i belive he deserves his shot and his gnp is vicious, im not overly confident hughes is invincible and i can see diego being a top force

GSPALLTHEWAY · 11-07-2006, 10:31 AM

diego vs BJ is clearly next i think... thats why diego is fighting riggs now, to give BJ time to heal up and keep diego fighting... the winner of GSP\hughes could take on the TUF 4 winner at the same time that BJ\diego goes, with the winner getting a title shot (well deserved either way)

MTKrav911 · 11-07-2006, 10:38 AM

If Hughes can't take down Penn, Diego will never take down Penn.

Diego vs. Hughes?

Hmm.

I dunno. I guess if Diego did enough Thunder dances and ate enough asparagus I'd give him a shot. But a small one.

Bomber · 11-07-2006, 10:49 AM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

And, Sanchez would NOT refuse any of the fights. He said that before, and I believed him. I do think that the UFC wants a 20-0 Sanchez to fight Hughes. That does look better. But, Karo was no can fight. That fight demonstrated that Diego is, indeed, for real.

I truly believe that Sanchez will fight any WW, and wants a title match asap. It's the UFC who are setting up the matches, and they take the blame for bringing him along so slowly.

I also know that Karo is no can. I called that match as a very close decision, and it was. Diego has been in two of my favourite fights of all time, vs Diaz and Karo. I eagerly anticipate his next match, as long as it's with Penn, GSP or Hughes. If it's with anyone else, I'll be screaming mad.

MTKrav911 · 11-07-2006, 11:11 AM

I'd rather see a Diaz or Karo rematch with Diego before any potential fight with Hughes.

Crashsti · 11-07-2006, 11:55 AM

i think Diego has had enough warm-up fights in the UFC. whether or not he is ready is irrelevant. Diego should face the winner of Hughes/GSP. in my opinion i think Diego ranks higher than Penn does in terms of #1 contender status. call me crazy, but Penn has lost 2 in a row and Sanchez is undefeated. yes Penn lost to the top two fighters in the class but i still think Diego should be next in line. Win or lose its his time.

subgenius · 11-07-2006, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Bomber

I truly believe that Sanchez will fight any WW, and wants a title match asap. It's the UFC who are setting up the matches, and they take the blame for bringing him along so slowly.

I also know that Karo is no can. I called that match as a very close decision, and it was. Diego has been in two of my favourite fights of all time, vs Diaz and Karo. I eagerly anticipate his next match, as long as it's with Penn, GSP or Hughes. If it's with anyone else, I'll be screaming mad.

As far as I know, he will fight Joe Riggs in December. While not the top three we want, it is far more than an Alessio or a Gassaway fight. It is like when Liddell fought Babalu the first time around when Liddell did not have to fight Babalu. The Iceman had alread met his title defense obligation, and was already scheduled for another fight in like six months. He fought Babalu the first time because Liddell wanted to stay sharp and ready.

Liddell had just fought Vitor Belfort on 6-22-2002. He fought Babalu on 11-22-2002. The fight with Couture was scheduled for 6-6-2003. Liddell did not want to wait a full year to fight again. He still lost to Couture, but I see why he took that Babalu fight.

I feel that Sanchez is the same way. He wants to stay sharp and ready. Each win makes him more and more of a serious threat. Riggs is acceptable as an opponent, but he is a step down in the rankings. Sanchez has more to lose, and Riggs has more to gain.

subgenius · 11-07-2006, 12:02 PM

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Originally Posted by Crashsti

i think Diego has had enough warm-up fights in the UFC. whether or not he is ready is irrelevant. Diego should face the winner of Hughes/GSP. in my opinion i think Diego ranks higher than Penn does in terms of #1 contender status. call me crazy, but Penn has lost 2 in a row and Sanchez is undefeated. yes Penn lost to the top two fighters in the class but i still think Diego should be next in line. Win or lose its his time.

The monkey wrench in the machinery there is that TUF4 winner getting a title shot. I am 100% sure that the UFC will grant the winner of TUF4 a title shot before they give one to Diego Sanchez. That is the only reason that I can see for the UFC making the Sanchez-Riggs fight in December. Outside of that, I agree with you.