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Old 12-16-2006, 02:59 PM   #1 (permalink)
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here is an article from mma weekly (news, sat. dec. 16)

Brandon Vera, who is widely regarded as the number one contender for a title shot in the UFC's heavyweight division, was in attendance at the press conference that was held by new MMA promotion Elite Xtreme Combat and Showtime Networks on Thursday in Hollywood, California.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Vera met with Elite XC president and longtime boxing promoter Gary Shaw on Thursday. Vera told the press that he has one fight remaining on his UFC contract, and that he wants his next contract to be with "whoever wants to take care of me the best."

When asked about competition among MMA promotions in an interview with the Orange County Register, Vera said, "How long have McDonald's and Burger King been around? Yeah, hell yeah, competition is definitely good. It helps the fighters in more ways than one. It helps us get paid better. You know, we can ask for more money, we can ask for more promotional stuff. By having competition out there, it's good for everybody, I believe... [it's good for] the companies because it creates more awareness of MMA, and [it's good for] the fighters because it gives us leverage a little bit... a little bit (laughs). It doesn't give us a lot of leverage, but it gives us some."

The undefeated Vera is 4-0 in his UFC campaign, with victories over Fabiano Scherner, Justin Eilers, Assureio Silva, and Frank Mir. In his most recent fight, Vera scored an impressive TKO victory over Mir at UFC 65 last month. Vera was paid $40,000 for the fight ($20,000 for fighting and an additional $20,000 for winning).

Vera was expected to get the next shot at the title of UFC Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia, but Zuffa has a logical policy in place of not giving title shots to fighters who are not under multi-fight contracts, so Vera is not going to get a title shot unless he signs a multi-fight contract extension.

If Vera does sign an extension, then he is still very likely to be the next fighter to challenge for the UFC Heavyweight Title, assuming that the UFC is also successful in extending Sylvia's contract. If Sylvia signs a multi-fight contract extension and Vera doesn't, the next logical challenger for the title among the UFC's current crop of heavyweights would be the winner of the UFC 66 fight between Andrei Arlovski and Marcio "Pe de Pano" Cruz, although Sylvia and Arlovski have already fought each other three times.

The Los Angeles Times also quoted Vera's manager, Mark Dion, as saying, "If UFC wants to keep all of its fighters in house, they can, but it's people like [Elite XC], who have money and a platform like Showtime, who will compete for fighters now. This is the first time UFC is not the monopoly."

Zuffa president Dana White seemed to dismiss the talk of Vera signing with Elite XC when he said in the same Los Angeles Times article, "I've never lost a big star in my six years here."

White also said regarding Elite XC's promoters, "A couple other organizations, who had more talent, with guys who knew more, have already tried to do what these guys are, and they've failed. These guys don't know the difference between MMA and thumb wrestling."

--> point is, there may be contract difficulties, and vera may be heading elsewhere, but dana seems confident to keep him around.
anyway, any thoughts? what you guys think of teh possibility of AA/tim 4? no doubt this division is in trouble, imo.
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Glad to see Vera playing hardball. They should have the power to do what Vera and Tito do. I hope he gets what he wants and not what Dana and crew just expect him to do. I lost a lot of respect for him after his comments about Hughes but I still do like what I see in him.

And about the possibility of Arlovski vs. Tim IV? Simple. I won't watch it.

And I love the smack in the face that Dana just gave all the fighters who left before saying they aren't "big stars". Go Dana!
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Old 12-16-2006, 03:20 PM   #3 (permalink)
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Glad to see Vera playing hardball. They should have the power to do what Vera and Tito do. I hope he gets what he wants and not what Dana and crew just expect him to do. I lost a lot of respect for him after his comments about Hughes but I still do like what I see in him.

And about the possibility of Arlovski vs. Tim IV? Simple. I won't watch it.

And I love the smack in the face that Dana just gave all the fighters who left before saying they aren't "big stars". Go Dana!

i wouldnt watch AA tim 4 either. i am not sure why not. it may be my dislike for watching tim fight, or because i already spent too much money on this saga. lol

i really do respect vera for stickin to his guns, i just hope that an amicable and mutually beneficial arrangement can be reached.

it is funny how i have thought vera was a jerk on a few different occasions based on his comments, but after looking at this article, he might be the "only hope" for a HW division that really needs the help, so i am kinda forced to like him, if that makes any sense at all.
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I would have to cry if vera left the ufc. Because I would probably have a hard time finding the rest of his fights on tv. And because I am waiting for the day vera ko's that big dumb animal silvia. Pay him more dana!!!

And as for the AA-silvia fight, I dont see either of the two fighters improving that much and the outcome will be just as boring, not to mention that if AA wins it wont prove anything except that tim gets a re mach.
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AA Sylvia 4 would have to be free on spike or not a main event..
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AA Sylvia 4 would have to be free on spike or not a main event..
If Vera leaves, i would not be all that suprised to see this happen. Look at Tito-Shamrock III. Dana knows people are tired of this saga as well.
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If I was Vera I'd be talking with Pride, Strikeforce, ROTR etc. Get some competition going, try to improve his negotiating position.

I bet he's not happy that the UFC is pressuring him to fight Sylvia before he feels ready, too. That could be a factor in why he's talking to Pride, or again it could be a negotiating strategy.
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id dump alot of points on Vera.. he is the real deal
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what comments about matt hughes.
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If Vera leaves the UFC, that will be a big hit against the HW devision as it stands now. They just cant let fighters of this caliber walk away. If they bring in more fighters and what not that will be good, but when people walk away just on the basis of money, it could start a chain reaction.
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"Matt Hughes sucks" - Brandon Vera

At least be creative about it if you are going to say something like that.

Seeing the Vera lovers try and defend it was humorous though.
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here is an article from mma weekly (news, sat. dec. 16)

Brandon Vera, who is widely regarded as the number one contender for a title shot in the UFC's heavyweight division, was in attendance at the press conference that was held by new MMA promotion Elite Xtreme Combat and Showtime Networks on Thursday in Hollywood, California.

According to the Los Angeles Times, Vera met with Elite XC president and longtime boxing promoter Gary Shaw on Thursday. Vera told the press that he has one fight remaining on his UFC contract, and that he wants his next contract to be with "whoever wants to take care of me the best."

When asked about competition among MMA promotions in an interview with the Orange County Register, Vera said, "How long have McDonald's and Burger King been around? Yeah, hell yeah, competition is definitely good. It helps the fighters in more ways than one. It helps us get paid better. You know, we can ask for more money, we can ask for more promotional stuff. By having competition out there, it's good for everybody, I believe... [it's good for] the companies because it creates more awareness of MMA, and [it's good for] the fighters because it gives us leverage a little bit... a little bit (laughs). It doesn't give us a lot of leverage, but it gives us some."

The undefeated Vera is 4-0 in his UFC campaign, with victories over Fabiano Scherner, Justin Eilers, Assureio Silva, and Frank Mir. In his most recent fight, Vera scored an impressive TKO victory over Mir at UFC 65 last month. Vera was paid $40,000 for the fight ($20,000 for fighting and an additional $20,000 for winning).

Vera was expected to get the next shot at the title of UFC Heavyweight Champion Tim Sylvia, but Zuffa has a logical policy in place of not giving title shots to fighters who are not under multi-fight contracts, so Vera is not going to get a title shot unless he signs a multi-fight contract extension.

If Vera does sign an extension, then he is still very likely to be the next fighter to challenge for the UFC Heavyweight Title, assuming that the UFC is also successful in extending Sylvia's contract. If Sylvia signs a multi-fight contract extension and Vera doesn't, the next logical challenger for the title among the UFC's current crop of heavyweights would be the winner of the UFC 66 fight between Andrei Arlovski and Marcio "Pe de Pano" Cruz, although Sylvia and Arlovski have already fought each other three times.

The Los Angeles Times also quoted Vera's manager, Mark Dion, as saying, "If UFC wants to keep all of its fighters in house, they can, but it's people like [Elite XC], who have money and a platform like Showtime, who will compete for fighters now. This is the first time UFC is not the monopoly."

Zuffa president Dana White seemed to dismiss the talk of Vera signing with Elite XC when he said in the same Los Angeles Times article, "I've never lost a big star in my six years here."

White also said regarding Elite XC's promoters, "A couple other organizations, who had more talent, with guys who knew more, have already tried to do what these guys are, and they've failed. These guys don't know the difference between MMA and thumb wrestling."

--> point is, there may be contract difficulties, and vera may be heading elsewhere, but dana seems confident to keep him around.
anyway, any thoughts? what you guys think of teh possibility of AA/tim 4? no doubt this division is in trouble, imo.
I wonder what Elsewhere Vera thinks he's going too. Like I said, it seems like it's gonna be slim pickens organizations wise here pretty soon.
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Ye i also question were Vera is heading if not the UFC, i really dont see him going to pride. Vera wants to be the best. If he goes to pride he knows he wont be.
I dont live in the US so im not that familiar with the smaller organisations. But can they really match the UFC?
I dont think Vera is going anywere soon.
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I dont live in the US so im not that familiar with the smaller organisations. But can they really match the UFC?
I dont think Vera is going anywere soon.
Pride is actively recruiting US fighters for their American shows

The IFC is always on the lookout for some bigger names. They have a philosophy of treating the fighters well, with pay and other consideratons.

Pro Elite is a new group who've come on the scene recently due to a pay-tv deal. They're hungry to build up their roster, and they have money to throw around. Showcase is a subscription tv channel like HBO, but it doesn't have anywhere near the coverage of Spike TV.

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I wonder what Elsewhere Vera thinks he's going too. Like I said, it seems like it's gonna be slim pickens organizations wise here pretty soon.
Well there are plenty of places to go to. IFL, Bodog, Pride, and Pro Elite to name a few. You think it's going to be "slim pickens" pretty soon? I think Dana's arrogance about thinking everyone values the UFC like the average TUF fan or newbie who is willing to take a couple grand to fight does is going to come back to haunt him when he loses his first big star which according to him he has never lost.
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yea vera seems very willing to leave... he seems like hes going to whoever gives him the most money plain and simple... which is his choice, although kinda strange he wouldnt want to sign a UFC contract if hes about to get a title shot his next fight
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Well it could also just be a negotiating tool and maye that is why Dana doesn't think it's a big deal. He'll be screwed if Vera leaves though.
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i agree 100% this reminds me alot of baseball.... one guy using the threat of going to another team to get a bigger contract... after alot of drama i expect vera to be in the UFC and get his title shot
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i agree. this may be little more than leverage to ensure vera gets a good deal.

i also think that how close he os to a title shot now in the ufc will impact his decision. if he went to another org, he may have to earn his way to the top, whereas he is already in line at the ufc for a title fight. time will tell, but i am not sure he will go anywhere.

OTOH, dana may be pissed that he was talking smackabout his contrcat and leaving, so dana may not renew his contrcat just to maqke a point to to his other fighters. he seems like a pretty shrewd business man.
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i also think that how close he os to a title shot now in the ufc will impact his decision. if he went to another org, he may have to earn his way to the top, whereas he is already in line at the ufc for a title fight.
Vera said he's not ready for a shot at the UFC title.
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