Why Tito didnt fight Dana. Straight from the horses mouth. - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

yaiir · 03-26-2007, 05:17 PM

From Titos myspace (www.myspace.com/theofficialtitoortiz) :

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Only doing business!!!!!!!!!!!

So, everyone is giving me **** for the Dana fight... No one knows what really went on.
Let me tell my side of what real went on. Me and Dana had this argeement to box eachother. I told Dana we should put it on video and sell it. He said "yes that a good idea". So Spike came to Big Bear before the Chuck fight for two days. Used my time from training to shoot for the Spike special. I said that was fine. I took two week off after the chuck fight. Then started my boxing training. You all have to understand that Dana was almost a pro boxer. I was going to take this fight serious. Jenna was helping me with the deal because I seen this as a big money maker. She ask if there was a contract for the fight? She made call's to dana to get the deal done. Craig from Spike called Jenna back to discuss is deal. She asked for executive producer rights for me. Since it was my idea. Help to promote Punishment Athletics for the fight and other deal points. Craig said he would talk to Dana and get back to us. After that I cancel a few appearance's that I had to do. Alot of money that was givin up. So I could train for the fight. I had to get all of my medicals done as a normal fight. I got my eye done then we got a call from Craig. He said that Dana say that they are not going to shoot the fight or cover it in anyway. So this was a real lose,lose situation for me. I lost out on money for appearances. Now I was losing out on promotion and big dollars for the PPV. He didn't want to cut me in on the deal. So as a business man I couldn't do the fight. I have a very big fight with Evans. Why would I risk my health and that fight for free? I wasn't going to make anything for it? I was not going to get taken advantage of as a fighter or a business man. You tell me if I made the right decision? Hopefully this will get ironed out and will be done right the next time. Just trying to do business.....
Tito Ortiz
.::Punishment Athletics::.

Hmm. Thoughts, anyone? Personally, I think it is bad from both sides. But surely Dana cant just change the agreement like that? Arent there contracts n stuff to stop that happening?

Daniel · 03-26-2007, 05:21 PM

I think what really happened was that Tito Ortiz didn't want this fight to go down, and neither did Dana White. They got a chance to pull out and they both took it happily.

Dirty Fighter · 03-26-2007, 05:30 PM

In all fairness to Tito, it was part of his contract. When the contract was signed charity was not part of the deal. If he was going to give up his normal purse for the fight he should at least get to promote his product line.

BlingDogg · 03-26-2007, 05:30 PM

Sure everyone wants money, but come on. Why would he want to miss the chance to beat up his boss? The chance to show Dana getting beat up to everyone?
And why is he letting Jenna get involved with his business deals?

I don't buy this excuse. Tito does some lame stuff sometimes. Sugar Rashad better teach him a lesson.

GeorgeXVX · 03-26-2007, 05:33 PM

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Originally Posted by BlingDogg

Sure everyone wants money, but come on. Why would he want to miss the chance to beat up his boss? The chance to show Dana getting beat up to everyone?
And why is he letting Jenna get involved with his business deals?

I don't buy this excuse. Tito does some lame stuff sometimes. Sugar Rashad better teach him a lesson.

agreed 100%

MTKrav911 · 03-26-2007, 05:35 PM

I agree with the risk of injur which was my first knee jerk as to why Tito pulled out or dana or both.

If he's fighting Evans in a few months, his focus has to be on Evans. One thing we know about Tito, he's a freak when it comes to preparation. He makes sure no stone is left unturned. He makes sure he's injury free, he makes sure he's mentally there, and we all definitely know he's always physically there.

So why risk a hand, eye, concussion etc type injury for no reason with Dana?

I gotta side with Tito on this one. What do you want? Charity events with a big named MMA UFC fighter or solid fights vs. upcoming talent like Tito/Rashad?

If you want Tito to be 100% vs Rashad (Hell even 80% could beat Rashad), but everyone wants a 100% Tito fighting a 100% Rashad don't we?

DirtyChuckRulz! · 03-26-2007, 05:35 PM

I think it was a good move on Titos part and im usually the first one to bash him.

He better be takin his fight with Rashad very serious a loss would hurt his career and status.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-26-2007, 05:36 PM

first, can anyone show where it said this would be done for charity? i cant seem to find it....

2nd, i guess i understand, its a reasonable excuse and it certainly is a business... i guess i assumed he would run over dana so fast and easy that he wouldnt be concerned about his health..?

Heatwaves · 03-26-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by BlingDogg

And why is he letting Jenna get involved with his business deals?

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Jenna Jameson = Yoko Ono

BlingDogg · 03-26-2007, 05:41 PM

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Originally Posted by MTKrav911

I agree with the risk of injur which was my first knee jerk as to why Tito pulled out or dana or both.

If he's fighting Evans in a few months, his focus has to be on Evans. One thing we know about Tito, he's a freak when it comes to preparation. He makes sure no stone is left unturned. He makes sure he's injury free, he makes sure he's mentally there, and we all definitely know he's always physically there.

So why risk a hand, eye, concussion etc type injury for no reason with Dana?

I gotta side with Tito on this one. What do you want? Charity events with a big named MMA UFC fighter or solid fights vs. upcoming talent like Tito/Rashad?

If you want Tito to be 100% vs Rashad (Hell even 80% could beat Rashad), but everyone wants a 100% Tito fighting a 100% Rashad don't we?

Still doesn't explain why he agreed to the match in the first place. Back then when this was decided, didn't he consider that he may be fighting around this time? He had to have known that there'd be a chance he could have a fight coming up, so this excuse about being healthy isn't any good at all.

If he agreed to this match, then he should live up to it no matter what.

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-26-2007, 05:42 PM

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Still doesn't explain why he agreed to the match in the first place. Back then when this was decided, didn't he consider that he may be fighting around this time? He had to have known that there'd be a chance he could have a fight coming up, so this excuse about being healthy isn't any good at all.

If he agreed to this match, then he should live up to it no matter what.

your not taking into account that he was promised compensation for it at that time and it was supposed to be a big seller... why risk any part of your career and upcoming match for no reason.... would you??

Heatwaves · 03-26-2007, 05:42 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

first, can anyone show where it said this would be done for charity? i cant seem to find it....

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"The bout is scheduled to take place on March 24th and will not be open to the public. There are plans to air the bout on UFC.com (though not live), with the majority of the financial proceeds going to charity."

BlingDogg · 03-26-2007, 05:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Heatwaves

Jenna Jameson = Yoko Ono

True

GSPALLTHEWAY · 03-26-2007, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by Heatwaves

MMA WEEKLY - Your #1 Source for Daily MMA News, Interviews, Multimedia, and More

"The bout is scheduled to take place on March 24th and will not be open to the public. There are plans to air the bout on UFC.com (though not live), with the majority of the financial proceeds going to charity."

thanks for that heatwaves... but... if there were no proceeds what goes to charity exactly??

i suppose you can look at it either way... tito haters will continue to hate, tito backers will continue to back

Heatwaves · 03-26-2007, 05:49 PM

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your not taking into account that he was promised compensation for it at that time and it was supposed to be a big seller...

Apparently he was compensated for it when he signed his last UFC contract, Tito merely wanted more compensation.

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why risk any part of your career and upcoming match for no reason.... would you??

Nobody forced Tito's hand on this. It was his idea in the first place. None of this came as a surprise to him, the UFC couldn't have gotten as far as they did with the Nevada State Athletic Commission if they didn't have Tito's consent. Tito flaked, plain and simple. If he didn't want to do this he had plenty of time to back out over the last six months.

Gooner · 03-26-2007, 05:50 PM

LOL @ Yoko Ono.

The difference is, she's not really ruining anything here.
Tito was Tito before that chick got involved.

BlingDogg · 03-26-2007, 05:50 PM

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your not taking into account that he was promised compensation for it at that time and it was supposed to be a big seller... why risk any part of your career and upcoming match for no reason.... would you??

All I'm saying is that if he agreed to the fight, he should do it. If there was no way at all after negotiations to get more money out of it, then I see the point.

But this still makes him look bad since he was the one to back out. Especially since the proceeds were to go to charity. He's fought so many fights in his career for money, can't he at least do one that would help a charity?

BlingDogg · 03-26-2007, 05:54 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

thanks for that heatwaves... but... if there were no proceeds what goes to charity exactly??

i suppose you can look at it either way... tito haters will continue to hate, tito backers will continue to back

It's not about hating Tito. He's one of my top 5 favorite fighters ever, and I support him when I think he deserves it. But this time, I don't think he does.

And from what I understood is his pay would have been less, not cut out completely?

Heatwaves · 03-26-2007, 05:55 PM

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Originally Posted by GSPalltheway

thanks for that heatwaves... but... if there were no proceeds what goes to charity exactly??

i suppose you can look at it either way... tito haters will continue to hate, tito backers will continue to back

The proceeds were coming from their portion of the advertising money from the SpikeTV pre-show and the fight itself (which was also going to be televised on Spike in addition to UFC.com).

I don't consider myself a Tito hater. He just made an immature mistake in this instance. If you review all of my prior posts before this incident, I've never aimed a negative comment about Tito.