liddell Vs Ortiz: Could of the results been different - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

TommyGunSexy05 · 08-17-2005, 04:08 PM

"I think he will take it to the ground as fast as possible to be honest. And in all honesty, I don't know why the hell he would even try to stand with Chuck. That would pretty much be changing up his fighting style for one guy, and that usually gets fighters in trouble from what I've seen.

He needs to keep his gameplan and take it to the ground."(quote}

by "THRASH13" IN THREAD "Horn All Talk".....

After reading this comment made by "THRASH13" I BEGAN TO THINK MUCH ABOUT THE Tito vs liddell fight. Tito Ortiz a long time ground and pound fighter who loves to take it to the ground. However, just like horn is donig right now, tito agreed to keep the fight on there feet, to prove hes a better striker. which everyone knew he wasnt a great striker long b4 the fight. by fightnig on his feet, he was fighting chucks fight style, could of the results been diff if tito took the match to the ground? I certainly believe it would have lasted longer, and tito possibly could have won....So if u all agree that tito is a wrestler than im sure some of u would def say the fight could have been different. ...well n e way, what do u guys think...

peace

titoortiz1 · 08-17-2005, 04:27 PM

i think tito tried to take him down once and mayb even two times, but it jus didn't work.. i think that chuck would have eventually went down if tito would'v continued to try to take him down.. but also chuck is pretty good at standin back up after a take down, so i guess u jus never know..

Strike Hermo · 08-17-2005, 04:43 PM

Ah the old what if question. It's a hard one too call.I dont reall like fighters changing styles if you know a weakness use it! I know we all love the knockout but he may still have been in ufc if he had stuck to his guns. I think chuck still wud have won, tito tends too thrown an then go in for the take down which chuck wud be looking for then either kick him in the face or sprawl. Both of which he does well. I don't think you get many good opportunities for take downs against chuck unless you counter a kick or he sneezes! He tends to be more of a counter puncher an likes his own space in the centre. But hey we'll never know and i'm pretty new t the scene so i may be talking rubbish. X

angryjonny · 08-17-2005, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by titoortiz1

i think tito tried to take him down once and mayb even two times, but it jus didn't work.. i think that chuck would have eventually went down if tito would'v continued to try to take him down.. but also chuck is pretty good at standin back up after a take down, so i guess u jus never know..

He is good at standing when he has the fence to use. He doesn't have that good of a takedown defense. He is just not afraid to take a hit by just standing up, like most fighters are. It's a gutsy thing to do because he may get caught right on the button someday. If Horn takes him down in the middle of the ring, he may not be able to just stand up so easily.

TheIceman · 08-17-2005, 06:14 PM

You make some interesting points Tommy, I hope we will one day see the rematch to see if Tito could have a better strategy. However as mentioned above I feel it would only serve to prolong the match and the end result would be the same with the Iceman getting his hand raised.

Thrash13 · 08-17-2005, 08:16 PM

There is no doubt in my mind that I think the results could have been different. But give credit to Chuck for always telling people they can't stand with him. He gets in his opponent's heads IMO, and that definitely works to his advantage. When you tell a MMA fighter that he can't stand with you, that really works the competitive juices. It's like that in any sport.

Then they try to stand with Chuck, and he knocks them out. Simple as that.

Like I said though, Tito could beat Chuck in my honest opinion. Then again, it's very possible Chuck would knock him out again. But if someone don't grow up (Dana and Tito), we won't ever have the chance to see it.

Interesting points, and I'm glad my opinions were mentioned.

hands up kicko · 08-17-2005, 10:11 PM

Anybody Can Be Beat On Anygiving Day. Just In My Nirghborhood Ive Seen The Guy Who Was Soposta Loose Catch The Other Guy. Its Rilly Not Worth Giving To Much Too...any If U Ask Me Chuck Has A Better Chance On The Ground Than Tito/horn Would Standing Up. Thats Rare

subgenius · 08-17-2005, 10:25 PM

Liddell's ground game is vastly underestimated. He has the skills, but rarely has the oppurtunity to use them in the octagon. Watch the first Horn-Liddell fight again, and you will see that Liddell did very well with the ground game. It was a single round match that lasted 12 minutes, and it took all of that time for Horn to get that reverse rear naked choke hold on Liddell. If Liddell could have kept his breath a few seconds longer or held Horns arms away a bit longer to allow bloodflow, then Liddell might have won in the over time. At least, that is how it looked to me when they replayed that fight on FSN.

hands up kicko · 08-17-2005, 10:52 PM

back than it was alotta harder to be a stand up guy. i like they way things are set up.

TaddT189 · 08-18-2005, 10:37 AM

Tito had a poor strategy in that fight, not only did he fight standup with Chuck he also let him control the tempo. When Courture first fought Liddell, Randy was constantly coming forward and this was keeping Chuck off of his game. Tito stood toe to toe and barely threw any punches, If he would have fought Vitor like that he would have got KTFO too. Tito's strategy in the fight with Liddell was to not end up on a Ultimate Knockouts Video.
-Tadd

LuvMyCRX® · 08-18-2005, 11:30 AM

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Originally Posted by angryjonny

He is good at standing when he has the fence to use. He doesn't have that good of a takedown defense.

Ive got to disagree. In the UFC Ices takedown D is second to none, if not second to Buentello. He does have nice ground skills, but its his ability to sprawl the shoot that keeps people standing with him...and his "you cant stand with me!" mental game!

DirtyChuckRulz! · 08-18-2005, 12:45 PM

sure tito could beat chuck. probably not but he has the ability to beat anyone. in chuck horn 1 big john let it stay on the ground much longer than any other ref (includung himself) does today. i believe that choke was an arm triangle. which chuck should have been able to defend. i think it was only chucks third fight in mma. so imagine how much more he knows now.

DrumzCT · 08-18-2005, 01:08 PM

The fight could have been longer, but same result. Similar to how Horn vs Lidel will probably turn out.

BronxBomber · 08-18-2005, 03:38 PM

Chuck had Titos heart in his palm before they even faught..

Thats one advantage he had over Tito, He owned him in their training sessions..

They could fight 100times it will always equal the same result

Chuck by KO earlyyyyy

LuvMyCRX® · 08-18-2005, 04:23 PM

Yessiree bob! If you look close, Tito had his trademark sh*t eating grin, But there was nothing but fear behind those eyes...

shogun · 08-18-2005, 04:38 PM

Tito will never be able to beat Chuck. Chuck is too good on his feet and won't allow his opponants take him down. Randy had a hard time taking down Chuck and Randy is a way wrestler than Tito.

Lets face it gentlemen, Tito is done for in the UFC

subgenius · 08-18-2005, 04:47 PM

Tito still has acting and TNA pro-wrestling, LOL

titoortiz1 · 08-18-2005, 08:15 PM

he could still fight n the ufc if they both get their acts together.. anybody can beat anybody on any give day.. i don't think tito would lose if they fought again.. especially if it's the old tito fighting..

BronxBomber · 08-18-2005, 08:21 PM

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Originally Posted by shogun

Tito will never be able to beat Chuck. Chuck is too good on his feet and won't allow his opponants take him down. Randy had a hard time taking down Chuck and Randy is a way wrestler than Tito.

Lets face it gentlemen, Tito is done for in the UFC

To be honest with you man Im not a Tito fan by any account but he was good for the UFC, I mean imagine him still in the Light Heavyweight hunt for the title, it would make things alot more intresting, and id love to see Chuck lay him out one more time

diablerie27 · 08-19-2005, 10:47 AM

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Originally Posted by LuvMyCRX

Ive got to disagree. In the UFC Ices takedown D is second to none, if not second to Buentello. He does have nice ground skills, but its his ability to sprawl the shoot that keeps people standing with him...and his "you cant stand with me!" mental game!

i agree, liddell has a great takedown defence. he can sprawl with the best of them.

on another note, the best part of that fight may have been when tito threw his hat into the crowd and a fan threw it back into the octagon.