MMA Weekly's New Rankings: Serra #1 WW - Fight Forum - MMA - UFC - Boxing - K1

Heatwaves · 04-10-2007, 01:03 PM

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WELTERWEIGHT DIVISION (170-pound limit)

#1 Welterweight Fighter in the World: Matt Serra

2. Georges St. Pierre

3. Matt Hughes

4. Josh Koscheck

5. BJ Penn

6. Diego Sanchez

7. Karo Parisyan

8. Jon Fitch

9. Jake Shields

10. Akira Kikuchi

MMA Weekly published new rankings today, which reminded me why we started our own ranking system here at FF. With one victory, Matt Serra managed to leapfrog all ten spots to claim #1. While a superb victory and arguably the biggest upset of all time, it doesn't suddenly make Serra the best WW in the world.

You could argue that they are merely giving the champion his due... but why then is LW Champion Sean Sherk not even listed within the LW top 10 or why is HW Randy Couture a mere 5th?

I also take issue with Koscheck being listed 4th. Just because Koscheck now has a 1-1 record against Sanchez in an unspirited, lackluster fight, he's suddenly better than BJ Penn, Parysian and Fitch?

I can't wait until we vote again in a couple of weeks.

For the full results, here's the link: MMA WEEKLY - Your #1 Source for Daily MMA News, Interviews, Multimedia, and More

Heatwaves · 04-10-2007, 01:37 PM

Hey mods,

I just noticed that I duped this thread. Could you pretty please merge it with the other one (MMA Weekly Rankings Updated)? Thank you!

subgenius · 04-10-2007, 01:54 PM

I think all champions deserve #1. But, what you said merely highlights how useless MMA Weekly rankings are in the real world of MMA.

The_Pitbull · 04-10-2007, 02:20 PM

Serra isn't the best ww in the world but he deserves that spot, he beat the number one fighter convingly, the number one fighter that just dismantled the fighter in the number 2 spot. If any fighter were to beat fedor as convincingly as matt serra beat gsp they would take the number one heavyweight spot. I'm not saying the rankings are right but he did beat gsp and he should take the spot gsp held.

xVERITASx · 04-10-2007, 04:14 PM

This is really a hard issue to debate on. I do agree 99% of the time that the champion (or the top from either org) should get the number one spot.

I really find MMA weekly's ratings to be very inconsistent. For example, Henderson beat Silva in basically the same fashion as Serra beat GSP. Henderson actually had better credentials when you look at who he fought but he doesn't even get top 3 at LHW, let alone Middleweight. I know he was beaten at MW but I also think beating Silva at LHW should affect his MW ranking. The other MW champion Silva is only #2, and really destroyed Franklin who was a previous number one.

I just feel that MMA weekly needs to be much more consistent with how they rate the fighters.

RockemSockem · 04-10-2007, 04:25 PM

Serra shouldn't be #1 imo. But to address your points, Sherk has only defeated Diaz on the LW top10 and when Diaz was unranked. And Randy took Tim's spot when he beat him, no reason to put him above the rest. Serra defeated the #1. Gomi still being ranked above Diaz makes your point though. MMAweekly's rankings keep getting worse and worse. Kos doesn't deserve such a high spot with that performance. Diego should drop more than Kos should move up.

Super Warrior · 04-10-2007, 05:22 PM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

Serra shouldn't be #1 imo.

Shouldn't be #1? I think not.

Thats da CHAMP you're talking about pal. Right now Matt Serra IS the man!

The rest of the list is ok too, with GSP #2 and Hughes #3. Very accurate top-3 right there.

RockemSockem · 04-10-2007, 05:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Warrior

Shouldn't be #1? I think not.

Thats da CHAMP you're talking about pal. Right now Matt Serra IS the man!

The rest of the list is ok too, with GSP #2 and Hughes #3. Very accurate top-3 right there.

Being the champ is not the end-all of things when talking about world rankings. If we were talking UFC rankings, then yes, he's #1, he has the belt. But this is world rankings. They need to be based on who beat who. Beating the #1 is a huge deal, and definitely puts Serra on the top 10. But before this he did not have a single win over a current top10 WW. To put him up to #1 over a single fight is not logical. Matt Serra is absolutely the man though. And as a huge fan of his and a huge fan of underdogs, i hope he continues to win and earns that #1 status.

The-Iceman-Chuck-Liddell · 04-10-2007, 05:38 PM

Fitch should be above Karo

Super Warrior · 04-10-2007, 05:44 PM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

Being the champ is not the end-all of things when talking about world rankings. If we were talking UFC rankings, then yes, he's #1, he has the belt. But this is world rankings.

Yes world rankings, as in the "World" of UFC. Right now in the world of UFC, Matt Serra is the #1 WW Fighter. Period.

If the article mentions fighters from other organizations(Not owned by the UFC), then maybe you might have something there.

Anyway it is not like these things are set in stone, if Serra loses the belt to matt hughes, then Serra will be ranked #2 and Hughes #1.

Super Warrior · 04-10-2007, 05:48 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

I think all champions deserve #1.

If they are champions then they are #1 in their weightclass, until someone comes along and changes that by defeating them for the belt.

Just like in HW, arguably Crocop may be the best fighter but until he beats randy to prove it, he is *NOT* the best in the division.

RockemSockem · 04-10-2007, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Warrior

Yes world rankings, as in the "World" of UFC. Right now in the world of UFC, Matt Serra is the #1 WW Fighter. Period.

If the article mentions fighters from other organizations(Not owned by the UFC), then maybe you might have something there.

9. Jake Shields

10. Akira Kikuchi

Super Warrior · 04-10-2007, 06:10 PM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

9. Jake Shields

10. Akira Kikuchi

What org are they from? And if they are on the bottom of the list, you might want to look at the others above them and not stay fixated on serra.

Do those two guys even hold belts????

RockemSockem · 04-10-2007, 06:29 PM

What does their organization or holding a belt have to do with it? And it's the bottom of the 10 best WWs in the world. Don't treat it like a bad thing.

FEC4 · 04-10-2007, 06:32 PM

with that win over, GSP, some might say he is #1, but I would thing others in the WW devision, deserve to be #1

Super Warrior · 04-10-2007, 06:33 PM

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Originally Posted by RockemSockem

What does their organization or holding a belt have to do with it? And it's the bottom of the 10 best WWs in the world. Don't treat it like a bad thing.

I'm just saying that if anyone has a problem with those two guys being at the bottom of the list, they shouldn't be so concerned with serra having the top spot.

From what i can see there are 7 other guys in the list above those two.

RockemSockem · 04-10-2007, 06:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Super Warrior

I'm just say that if anyone has a problem with those two guys being at the bottom of the list, they shouldn't be so concerned with serra having the top spot.

From what i can see there are 7 other guys in the list above those two.

I have no problem with it. You said "you might have something there" if there were people on the list not in the UFC, i pointed out that there were. Regardless, i still stand with the opinion that a single win, even over the #1 ranked fighter, does not make you #1. He also has not fought that consistently recently. Fighting 3 times in 3 years. And one win makes him #1? That just doesn't make sense.

RIPPEN · 04-10-2007, 07:02 PM

Its obvious the ranking system is a joke when a fighter goes from not even being in the top 10 to #1 in a single fight..

Super Warrior · 04-10-2007, 07:47 PM

Having a little something called the UFC title kinda does that to a guy...

Or do you guys honestly think GSP should still be ranked #1 even after he got BEAT and LOST the belt? Hmm, anyone?

Having GSP still be #1, would be like saying Matt Hughes should have still been #1 after GSP beat him.

Dreamfield · 04-10-2007, 07:51 PM

Serra should be ranked above GSP. He beat him, after all. Experience and record have nothing to do with how people are ranked. You're only as good as your last fight.