LastExit34

I feel like this should be a sticky announcement at the top of the forum because I have answered this question so many times.

Dana did not chose Justin Eilers over Paul Buentello to get the title shot. Paul was not medically cleared to fight when the main event was put together. He became medically cleared at a later date and was then added to the card against Kevin Jordan.

It's quite as simple as telling Dana to open his pocketbook and get some Pride HW fighters to fight in the UFC. Those guys are under contract with Pride so if Pride doesn't want to send them, they don't fight, PERIOD.

Lastly, no the UFC doesn't make so much. They have just recently started making significant amounts of money from events. There was a time not very long ago that UFC was actually losing money overall.

joelrz13

i am aware that paul wasnt medically cleared, he still remains a VERY VERY weak oppenent as the #1 contender. pride fighters are under contract, but how many fighters has the UFC lured from pride??? no one significant... pride now has vitor and baroni...
you are out of your mind if you dont think UFC makes a ton of money... how can you possibly argue that. im not sure how to respond because you havent looked at the Pay per view #s or the TUF results. NEVERMIND the rest of their sales and lack of liabilities.
Lastly while these pride fighters are NOW under contract, the UFC has had chances as the contracts have run out to steal a few of their fighters and have failed. i love the UFC roster, it just could be a lot better. thats my only point as is the point that paul\andrei is an awful main event...

LastExit34

First of all, contrary to what a lot of people might believe, the UFC was around for a long time before TUF ever started and if you read my post, I said they recently are making money. But there were events in the past where the buys were very low and the UFC wasn't even on PPV and they weren't making money.

As far as your examples of Pride "luring away" UFC fighters Vitor and Baroni, it's almost laughable. Vitor was coming off two losses in a row and Baroni was coming off 4. It's not hard to "lure" losing fighters, especially when the UFC doesn't want them anymore. It's a completely different thing to try and get a top fighter from another organization. The UFC doesn't have the money or the clout to lure guys like Fedor and Cro Cop from the most popular MMA organization in the world. I'm sure they might be able to lure Giant Silva from Pride if that makes you happy, but If you're waiting for someone like Fedor to come to UFC, you'll be waiting for a long time.

AikaImmortal

UFC started in 1993, PRIDE started in 1997.. they arent just some johnny come lately trying to lure UFC talent away.

(and LastExit, NEVER mention Giant Silva again. )

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LastExit34

sorry just trying to make a point

BronxBomber

Why would CroCop and Fedor want to fight infront of 15,000 plus when they can fight in front of 45,000 plus just do the math man

Plus PRIDE is just accepted more in Japan then the UFC in the states

Only way youll see Arlovski fight either one of these guys is if Dana sends him over to PRIDE, other than that Sorry dude keep dreaming

joelrz13

just because you are a FF moderator doesnt mean u should belittle others opinions... besides following the ufc since ufc ONE... i am also very framiliar with fighting and fight training as well... since you moderators are always saying what not to do in posts, im telling you to knock it off.... #2 for some of you to only talk about the # of seats that fill up in arena is meaningless... what about something called pay per view?? that accounts for 10X the amount then ticket sales! and personally id MUCH rather watch baroni and vitor then some of the bums like doerkson or vanarsedale.... but thats fine they left they were on a downswing like you said... but whats wrong with bringing in.. or TRYING to bring in new blood..
and who cares if the ufc business was down in the past, im talking about how NOW they have the chance to get these fighters... why not get some results... and why wouldnt you all wanna see that?? and dont tell me all these fighters would rather fight in front of the japanese instead of getting reconized more in the states... thats ridiculous... while pride is big, its nothing in the US compared to the UFC... and knock off your attempts to belittle others comments please... thanks.

LastExit34

I'm not belittling anyone's opinion. I would love to see guys like Fedor and Cro Cop and Arlovski be able to go back and forth between organizations as much as anyone. I am however, just pointing out the reasons that the chances of something like this happening are very slim.

And for the record, you "telling" me to do anything, isn't going to get it done.

angryjonny

joelrz13, I'm afraid you really do not know what you are talking about. Like LastExit and Aika have said UFC has been around much longer than you are aware and I just thought I would add it was banned in a lot of states to hold the events. It used to be almost taboo. People would look at them like it was death matches. I used to not be able to watch them because my mom wouldn't let me get them because they had Parental Advisory stickers on them and since I was only 13 she made me stick to Pancrase. (only kidding, I still like Pancrase) UFC has only been recently a success and while it will continue to grow so will Pride. About UFC being able to take any Pride fighter...Why would Mark Kerr say he would rather fight in Pride than do Pro-Wrestling? Because they have a butt load of money to spend on their fighters. UFC doesn't yet. Pride has a very big fanbase and it isn't hard for them to gain new fans, they are just under-exposed in the US, but with the new deal with FSN it will be exciting for MMA fans to be able to enjoy Pride as well as UFC events on cable TV. Another thing you need to remember is that the UFC doesn't keep every single dollar that comes in from the PPV's. I don't know the figures so I'm not going to try and make it sound like I do. I know for a fact that they don't get to keep $34.95 out of every PPV ordered. How would they pay the cable companies, and provide all the celebrities all the fancy things they need to survive (I'm being facetious here, I don't know that they actually do this, usually events like this do pamper celebrities). That's all I got. Just had to add my two cents.

SeikanJudanski

I have to agree, with everybody here that is disagreeing with joelrz. Hehe. No for real Joelrz...LastExist and the others are right in what they said, so I don´t need to repeat it. In any case, YES, we would love to see Pride Fighters cross venture to UFC and vice versa.. who doesn´t.

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joelrz13

#1 you said the UFC keeps 34.95 out of every pay per view ordered??? thats how much i paid to see it... 34.95 lol... bad start to your arguement... #2 the UFC has been around longer then i thought? as stated i have seen everyone since UFC 1... was there a ufc 0? wrong again... #3 just showing a desire to get new figthers to see the premier fights me and most people would want to see... and #4 if your trying to tell me the UFC has been in ANY financial trouble show me how, dont just keep saying that, because your wrong.... i think those comments should end this post due to awful arguments and a lack of backing up any facts as evidence in some of the last post about PPV #s.

AikaImmortal

SEG entertainment filed for bankruptcy and that is when Zuffa LLC took over.

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angryjonny

LOL LOL LOL. Maybe you should actually read my post. I didn't say that UFC keeps 34.95, you do not know how to read. Also that wasn't the start of my argument. That was one of the last things I said. Also I know I know, now apparently everyone has been there from the start. You wouldn't have made your comments that you did if you were there from the start. I'll be the first to admit that I actually didn't get into it until I was about 13 or 14. I still have not seen the very first one. The video store that had them didn't have the first one for some reason. But hey I'm not going to sit here and argue anymore, because you can't read and you don't make any valid argument, and you say that everyone is wrong. Sorry you are the one who is wrong my friend. It's okay though. No one was being rude about it.

joelrz13

i dont read your posts that much because the ones in the past i have read were so poorly formed... so you got me there lol... as far as SEG filing for bankruptcy when Zuffa took over has no bearing on how they are doing NOW... which is very well... im afraid half of you pricks have gotten too caught up with arguing and being mindless ***** just for the sake of being that way.... and missed the initial purpose of this post, which was to say id like to see a better ufc 55 card and more competition among UFC to gain the best athletes... and sadely i have to work, and train myself and dont have the time to sit on this site all day and argue with you over next to nothing.. : )

DrumzCT

What weight class you in?

joelrz13

what are you disagreeing with then??? thats all i wanted to see? and a better ufc 55 card.... i havnet seen much done and all the companies have been a little too content with what they have for my liking... whats wrong with wanting to improve??v

joelrz13

185 to 205... usually lower... drumz...
thanks for all the warnings AIKA... funny how you do the exact same things to other new posters.... how do we give you warnings? : )

DrumzCT

170 here.

You're really asking for a banning dude. If you've read the FAQs and rules we discuss things civilly here without attacking members. Respect the people, debate your ideas civilly.

We are not going to let this board turn into a flame war with a bunch of people flinging poo at each other.

AikaImmortal

You're quite welcome. If you really do have an issue with the warnings or moderation you CAN feel free to PM Guile and discuss matters with him however.

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