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bayouboy · 11-01-2007, 10:57 AM

I thought the breakfast scene was hilarious. "So...you wanna fight later."

Gooner · 11-01-2007, 11:18 AM

Ohhh, I'm loving this season.

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That being said here is my take on this episode:
-- I take Mac's side to a certain degree , Hughes needs to realize his fighters are not that experienced. This is one of the big reasons his team is not winning
-- Matt should have remained a little tougher imo. You can't potentially demoralize your team because some prick's team is winning.

Hey now, Serra is a cuddly little carebear.
Don't talk about him that way.

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-- Witch doctor? What the eff? lol

Really, the medic just wasn't enough, huh? LOL

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edit: again, one of Hughes' fighters fails to implement the game plan and tries to forget about his grappling and become a striker

The Rock Crumpled

Georgie's a grappler too. And a more accomplished one.
I'm not sure the gameplan was to take it to the ground.

I thought J-Rock's post fight comments were a bit weird.
"He was just trying to counter, counter, counter and pick me apart". Your point?
And it also seemed like he really let Serra's coaching get to him.
No, he's not gonna "STFU", he's gonna keep annoying you. Deal with it.

WarDawg · 11-01-2007, 11:32 AM

After watching J Rock fight... Dan has nothing to be ashamed of. WarDawg

Bomber · 11-01-2007, 12:13 PM

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He might have picked the better fighters, but I am honestly starting to think he can't coach. You heard him tonight say, "I'm not trying to make a striker out of a grappler, George!"

Actually I think he said Paul, and gave Georgieff a dirty look.

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Hughes has a great wrestler and MMA fighter in himself, Robbie Lawler who has good hands (but I have no idea how he is as at coaching hands) and another guy whose purpose I have yet to figure out.

He's the Miletich wrestling coach.

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new skills (I base this on performance and comments from the fighters), so far I've yet to hear one Team Hughes fighter talk about how much he's learned. Maybe screaming at your guys and roughing them up in practice might not be the best way to coach. He's had more in practice injuries than wins so far.

That's what i keep hearing. Hughes' guys saying they aren't really learning anything, just training cardio. That and beating on his team so hard it shakes their confidence, and they're injured going into the fight. Doesn't sound like good coaching to me.

Bomber · 11-01-2007, 12:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Gooner

Georgie's a grappler too. And a I thought J-Rock's post fight comments were a bit weird.
"He was just trying to counter, counter, counter and pick me apart".

When he said that, I thought, counter what? You didn't throw anything.

subgenius · 11-01-2007, 12:29 PM

I think that Serra picked the more experienced fighters. As far as coaching goes, Matt Serra has been training MMA fighters for years and years. Matt Hughes has only recently begun to put himself out there as a coach in MMA. Hughes learned from Pat Miletich. It seems that most of the coaches on Team Hughes came from MFS. Matt Serra has seen more MMA fighters at more levels as far as coaching them. Serra made great picks for his team. His only mistake was missing out on Mac Danzig (who might very well win the entire season).

As for the fight and the drama on episode seven, well, it was okay. I never saw J-Rock as a guy that would go far on the show. That leaves just one guy left for Team Hughes: Mr Red-haired Guy. LOL. The Farm Boy turned MMA fighter. Likely just another inexperienced guy trying to hope for a win. We shall see. Hughes needs his last two guys to win all of the rest of the fights through to the end. But, realistically, only Danzig seems skilled at the level needed to win the show.

My criticism of Team Hughes outside of the coaching deals with how the inexperienced fighters failed to follow the game plan or the instructions of the coaches. J-Rock listened to Serra more than Hughes or Lawler. Dan failed to back off when told to do so and he also failed to finish the fight when he could have won. So, I feel that the losses (at least two) were as much the fighter's faults as it was any coaching short-comings (insufficient time and inexperienced coaching).

Team Serra benefits from listening to Matt Serra and his coaching. It's experienced coaching added to experienced fighters that follow the game plan or at least the in-octagon instructions. (Serra never lets his fighters forget to breath, LOL.) I don't think that Matt Serra essentially taught his fighters any new techniques or styles. I think that he taught them how to listen to his specific instructions. And, that's important.

FatCatMC · 11-01-2007, 12:48 PM

It was not the fighter's faults IMO. It's kinda hard to listen to someone when you really don't have much respect for their abilities as a coach, which it seems none of Team Hughes does.

Do you people honestly think it's just dumb luck for Team Serra that 6 of Hughes' 8 fighters didn't listen to the gameplan? I sure don't.

So maybe they would have faired better in the fights had they, but Hughes lost their respect long before it came to be fight time. They were mentally and physically beaten before they even stepped in the octagon which I'm sure also played a big role in their performances.

Bottom line is Hughes is not a good coach. I'm not saying anything about him as a person, because I couldn't care less, but it's pretty obvious he's a poor coach.

theEmpiric · 11-01-2007, 02:03 PM

Hughes is on the show for the wrong reasons. Plain and simple.

Serras guys definitely respect him....a lot. Tey listen to him and he seems to be able to motivate well.

Hughes fighters seem so drained by all his negativity. Thry should be dighting for themselves and their families, not for Hughes. This IMO is why the score is 6-1.

Dr.Chicago · 11-01-2007, 02:13 PM

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Hughes is on the show for the wrong reasons. Plain and simple.

Actually that's also what Mac Danzig, one of Hughes' own team, has said last night!!

bayouboy · 11-01-2007, 02:24 PM

Maybe Empiric IS Mac

JoeRoganismyhero · 11-01-2007, 02:39 PM

Why doesn't Hughes take it easy on the fighters that are about to fight? he almost breaks Dan's hand then Jared goes into his fight with bruised ribs! Not the only reason he is down 6-1 but that doesn't help when these guys are beat to sh*t before they even get into the cage!"

I think Speer will take Jon next week, but even then it will be 6-2 Serra. Hughes is a great fighter, but I don't think he is good at coaching these younger guys.

Snow Patrol · 11-01-2007, 03:06 PM

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Why doesn't Hughes take it easy on the fighters that are about to fight? he almost breaks Dan's hand then Jared goes into his fight with bruised ribs! Not the only reason he is down 6-1 but that doesn't help when these guys are beat to sh*t before they even get into the cage!"

I think Speer will take Jon next week, but even then it will be 6-2 Serra. Hughes is a great fighter, but I don't think he is good at coaching these younger guys.

It's his way of venting his frustration, a poor way albeit. I'll have to go with Jon, I think he is one of 3 who have a good shot at winning it this season, the others being George and Mac.

Bomber · 11-01-2007, 03:18 PM

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It's his way of venting his frustration, a poor way albeit. I'll have to go with Jon, I think he is one of 3 who have a good shot at winning it this season, the others being George and Mac.

Ben Saunders, Matt Arroyo and Joe Kolosci all looked good to me. It's way too early to crown Danzig. He has a couple of tough fights ahead of him.

T-Bone · 11-01-2007, 03:23 PM

Several guys have looked impressive.

It sucks for the guys who will have Hughes in their corner next time out.

opsy · 11-01-2007, 05:25 PM

This is all actually becoming amusing

One of the things I love about FF are the first-person point of views from people that were actually there!

HaVoK · 11-01-2007, 06:28 PM

Worst TUF coaches of all-time.... Shamrock and Hughes....

haha

opsy · 11-01-2007, 07:24 PM

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Worst TUF coaches of all-time.... Shamrock and Hughes....

haha

You leave me no choice Sir, I demand my 1k for that avatar you are sporting

subgenius · 11-02-2007, 12:11 PM

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Originally Posted by JoeRoganismyhero

Why doesn't Hughes take it easy on the fighters that are about to fight? he almost breaks Dan's hand then Jared goes into his fight with bruised ribs! Not the only reason he is down 6-1 but that doesn't help when these guys are beat to sh*t before they even get into the cage!"

I think Speer will take Jon next week, but even then it will be 6-2 Serra. Hughes is a great fighter, but I don't think he is good at coaching these younger guys.

It's been a trend on the Hughes team to have something go wrong before nearly every fight. Somebody gets a call about the death of a cousin. Somebody's wife has a freak out session on the phone. Somebody injured a hand. Somebody injured a rib. Somebody injured a leg in the actual match. Add to that the monumental inexperience on Team Hughes and you get serious problems. The main reason that MMA fighter fail to listen to the corner coach and trainers has a lot more to do with inexperience than bad coaching.

It just seems like Team Hughes has been having a lot of problems outside and inside of the octagon that have held the team back. And, I don't see the coaching as the big factor that binds these problems together. Hughes had nothing to do with allowing his fighters to recieve phone calls. The call about somebody's cousin passing away was the only call that should have been allowed. It was that serious.

And, getting injured while training is fairly common. Many top level MMA fighters get injured while training. GSP hurt himself when he was scheduled to fight Hughes, and the match was postponed. Hughes fought BJ Penn instead. So, I don't think that Hughes has been any more or less tough on his team then Serra is with his team. In many ways the weaker guys are getting weeded out. Let's not forget that TUF has been about finding and preparing MMA fighters for the UFC.

I will agree that Matt Hughes is just too green at coaching to take eight guys for six or eight weeks and turn them into UFC fighters. Matt Serra has been doing that for at least five or six years. Well, not exactly that. I mean, Serra has been training MMA fighters for a long time, not that he has been training eight guys in six weeks for five or six years. But, several Serra fighters have made it through TUF.

T-Bone · 11-02-2007, 01:11 PM

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I don't think that Hughes has been any more or less tough on his team then Serra is with his team.

Really? I don't see if that way but, as you know, we don't get to see all the footage. You think Serra pounds away on his guys physically & mentally too?

subgenius · 11-02-2007, 02:43 PM

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Really? I don't see if that way but, as you know, we don't get to see all the footage. You think Serra pounds away on his guys physically & mentally too?

I think that you would be hard pressed to find a gym or training camp that produces professional level MMA fighters that is NOT tough on the MMA fighters.