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lambo84 · 11-15-2007, 12:09 PM

Mac is a good fighter, but this guy's personality just clashes to me. It was funny watching him flip out about War Machine moving his bird feeder. Atleast he realizes his grumpiness and is trying to turn it around.

I would like to see Tommy beat Saunders, it's going to have to be a ground fight because Tommy cannot trade punches with him. Tommy is going to get on top both rounds and GnP to win by a majority decision.

George and Troy will both win their fights with ease, I'm suprised Serra matched his 2 best vs. his 2 worst.

Bomber · 11-15-2007, 12:10 PM

I thought Hughes acted like a dick at the meeting because well, he is a dick. But aside from that, he was ticked off because a lowly UFC wannabe fighter like Hightower called a meeting and he and his coaching staff had to attend. TUFers don't call meetings with Hughes, Hughes calls the meetings. And don't you forget it.

Sub, please stop saying that reality shows are scripted. There's no way in hell that the writer's strike will affect this or any other reality show, because there are no writers and there is no script. They're edited, not scripted, there's a world of difference. The closest they come to acting out a script is when they're asked to replay something that the cameras missed, which I read happens sometimes, not often.

bayouboy · 11-15-2007, 12:12 PM

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I thought Hughes acted like a dick at the meeting because well, he is a dick. But aside from that, he was ticked off because a lowly UFC wannabe fighter like Hightower called a meeting and he and his coaching staff had to attend. TUFers don't call meetings with Hughes, Hughes calls the meetings. And don't you forget it.

Sub, please stop saying that reality shows are scripted. There's no way in hell that the writer's strike will affect this or any other reality show, because there are no writers and there is no script. They're edited, not scripted, there's a world of difference. The closest they come to acting out a script is when they're asked to replay something that the cameras missed, which I read happens sometimes, not often.

Yea, Serra is an angel.

Bomber · 11-15-2007, 12:17 PM

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George and Troy will both win their fights with ease, I'm suprised Serra matched his 2 best vs. his 2 worst.

I'm a little surprised that Matt didn't arrange Tommy vs Mac, but when he didn't, it only makes sense to give his strong guys an easy fight. That way they'll have the best shot at going into the next round with no injuries.

I don't see Speers having any chance in this round. Saunders seems too well rounded, plus he'll have a good chance to open that cut and get a stoppage.

Bomber · 11-15-2007, 12:23 PM

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Yea, Serra is an angel.

I don't recall saying anything about Serra. What does Serra have to do with the meeting, he wasn't even there.

Serra is acting like a dick when it comes to Hughes, but I can relate to that. It's a backlash.

HaVoK · 11-15-2007, 12:59 PM

For some reason I figured Troy to be the weaker of the 2 with his matchup of Matt Arroyo.

bayouboy · 11-15-2007, 01:04 PM

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I don't recall saying anything about Serra. What does Serra have to do with the meeting, he wasn't even there.

Serra is acting like a dick when it comes to Hughes, but I can relate to that. It's a backlash.

I'll leave the dick spotting to you.

subgenius · 11-15-2007, 01:31 PM

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Sub, please stop saying that reality shows are scripted. There's no way in hell that the writer's strike will affect this or any other reality show, because there are no writers and there is no script. They're edited, not scripted, there's a world of difference. The closest they come to acting out a script is when they're asked to replay something that the cameras missed, which I read happens sometimes, not often.

Sure there are plenty of writers (aka story producers) on TUF. They get credits for it. And, in at least three issues of Script magazine they have interviewed Reality TV writers that have specifically stated that they wrote story lines for TUF. They take what they know about the fighters and coaches and they create scenarios and they put the cast in those situations.

Why do you think that they call the try-outs for TUF "casting calls"? It's because they want fighters with personalities and that will help create drama. Boring, dull people get turned away. They follow the cast around all day long and then edit the footage to fit their story line. It's pure Reality TV. I have studied them and have attended many lectures and symposiums on what Reality TV is on TV. There really is very little reality in Reality TV.

subgenius · 11-15-2007, 01:35 PM

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I'm a little surprised that Matt didn't arrange Tommy vs Mac, but when he didn't, it only makes sense to give his strong guys an easy fight. That way they'll have the best shot at going into the next round with no injuries.

I don't see Speers having any chance in this round. Saunders seems too well rounded, plus he'll have a good chance to open that cut and get a stoppage.

Matt Serra really was being kind of stupid on this episode. Match up both of Hughes' fighters against each other? Come on. Do you really think that Serra did not know that he would have to give up two team members? Because, that's how Serra acted. If he matched Tommy against Mac, then Serra would have had to give up THREE fighters. Yet, Serra went on and on like he was oblivious to that fact. Even after Dana White set him straight. IMO, it was just BS drama because they needed something to create conflict in the story.

subgenius · 11-15-2007, 01:56 PM

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Mac complained about the poor training (no surprise) and lack of sparring partners (big surprise there). Why didn't Hughes and/or Lawler spar with him?

I wanted to revisit that for a moment. In this episode Danzig really contradicted himself. He complained about the training, sure, but at the end of the episode he said something very telling. He said that he would not want to be on any other team than Team Hughes. He said he was happy with the team and training with the team. So, which is it? Bad training or good training?

T-Bone · 11-15-2007, 02:07 PM

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I wanted to revisit that for a moment. In this episode Danzig really contradicted himself. He complained about the training, sure, but at the end of the episode he said something very telling. He said that he would not want to be on any other team than Team Hughes. He said he was happy with the team and training with the team. So, which is it? Bad training or good training?

Bad training. Nobody sparred with him unless that was just scripted.

Mac was happy he won so he figured he'd show some appreciation. Remember he was becoming bi-polar?

T-Bone · 11-15-2007, 02:08 PM

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Matt Serra really was being kind of stupid on this episode. Match up both of Hughes' fighters against each other? Come on. Do you really think that Serra did not know that he would have to give up two team members? Because, that's how Serra acted. If he matched Tommy against Mac, then Serra would have had to give up THREE fighters. Yet, Serra went on and on like he was oblivious to that fact. Even after Dana White set him straight. IMO, it was just BS drama because they needed something to create conflict in the story.

Maybe he thought he'd still train his guys and his guys/coaches could be corners thus marginalizing Hughes.

subgenius · 11-15-2007, 03:22 PM

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Maybe he thought he'd still train his guys and his guys/coaches could be corners thus marginalizing Hughes.

But, THAT has never happened or been allowed on TUF.

Why would Serra think such nonsense?

Bomber · 11-15-2007, 03:26 PM

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Sure there are plenty of writers (aka story producers) on TUF. They get credits for it. And, in at least three issues of Script magazine they have interviewed Reality TV writers that have specifically stated that they wrote story lines for TUF. They take what they know about the fighters and coaches and they create scenarios and they put the cast in those situations.

I could see that. A story line would be "Matt Serra Thinks Hughes is a Dick". So they glean the tapes to find everything they can to promote that story line. But it's still just editing, because no one comes up to Matt Serra with a written script he has to act out. They're just repeating, highlighting and re-ordering stuff he said to promote their story line.

T-Bone · 11-15-2007, 03:30 PM

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But, THAT has never happened or been allowed on TUF.

Why would Serra think such nonsense?

But one coach picking the fights has never happened before either...who knows what to expect in the crazy world of TUF

subgenius · 11-15-2007, 03:36 PM

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I could see that. A story line would be "Matt Serra Thinks Hughes is a Dick". So they glean the tapes to find everything they can to promote that story line. But it's still just editing, because no one comes up to Matt Serra with a written script he has to act out. They're just repeating and re-ordering stuff he said to promote their story line.

That is merely one tool in the toolbox of Reality TV writers (story producers). For all we know, Serra never intended to be so openly against Hughes. The story producers could easily have noted that Serra had called Hughes a dick many times. They could easily have told him to keep hitting that nail on the head any chance he could get. Maybe not.

Look, Reality TV has NOT ever been a documentary style. They do not merely follow people around and hope for the best. They have far too much money invested to take that kind of a chance. Too many network sponsors and network executives to make happy. They literally have to ensure that they get drama, conflict (not fighting, but dramatic conflict), characters, and entertainment.

A good example would be that episode with the J-Rock fight. IIRC, Mac Danzig said in his blog that the fight took place thirty minutes after the fight from the previous week. But, watching that episode, they made it seem like it was a week later or whatever. They interjected a bunch of BS to fill the episode. But, it was not chronological.

Another give away are the confessionals. They play out a story line and then get everybody to sit in the confessional and talk about it. They choose those confessionals that best suit the story.

subgenius · 11-15-2007, 03:41 PM

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But one coach picking the fights has never happened before either...who knows what to expect in the crazy world of TUF

I don't think so. I mean, it's a massive conflict of interest to be the coach and corner for both fighters in a match. Serra surely realized that much.

Bomber · 11-15-2007, 04:13 PM

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That is merely one tool in the toolbox of Reality TV writers (story producers). For all we know, Serra never intended to be so openly against Hughes. The story producers could easily have noted that Serra had called Hughes a dick many times. They could easily have told him to keep hitting that nail on the head any chance he could get. Maybe not.

Look, Reality TV has NOT ever been a documentary style. They do not merely follow people around and hope for the best. They have far too much money invested to take that kind of a chance. Too many network sponsors and network executives to make happy. They literally have to ensure that they get drama, conflict (not fighting, but dramatic conflict), characters, and entertainment.

A good example would be that episode with the J-Rock fight. IIRC, Mac Danzig said in his blog that the fight took place thirty minutes after the fight from the previous week. But, watching that episode, they made it seem like it was a week later or whatever. They interjected a bunch of BS to fill the episode. But, it was not chronological.

Another give away are the confessionals. They play out a story line and then get everybody to sit in the confessional and talk about it. They choose those confessionals that best suit the story.

I agree with all of the above. What I object to is any inference that the TUF contestants are told what to say from a script. They are not actors. No one is making Serra say "Hughes is a dick" ten thousand times. He says it, they broadcast it.

Gooner · 11-15-2007, 04:33 PM

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I agree with all of the above. What I object to is any inference that the TUF contestants are told what to say from a script. They are not actors. No one is making Serra say "Hughes is a dick" ten thousand times. He says it, they broadcast it.

Exactly. I don't know how many times it needs to be said, so subG will also get it.
Not scripted, period.

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Again, I love how this season, TUF 6: PR for my new team has totally backfired.

Do you mean Serra?

No, I don't think Serra has a "new team".
Hughes however, left Miletich and formed his own team with Lawler, Fiore and Pena(all from MFS btw).