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Eindar · 03-09-2008, 06:39 PM

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Not all fighters but possibly some of them.

My problem is some fighters haven't paid thheir dues yet and don't deserve such an opportunity.

So if you're 0-0, but people who get paid to scout fighters think you're better than a guy who's 3-0 against weekend warriors, you need to go beat up some cans so you can be 3-0, too.

This is what you're saying?

I guess I'm more of a fan of "ability to be a star in the UFC" vs. "paid his dues fighting for $200".

Out of curiosity, why would they pick a 0-0 guy who they know is a worse fighter over a guy who is 3-0? Why would they do that? The only reasons I can think of would be if the 3-0 guy is a psycho, or quite possibly doesn't want to be on a reality show, neither of which is the fault of the producers. I want your take on it, though.

F_B · 03-09-2008, 10:20 PM

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Originally Posted by Eindar

So if you're 0-0, but people who get paid to scout fighters think you're better than a guy who's 3-0 against weekend warriors, you need to go beat up some cans so you can be 3-0, too.

This is what you're saying?

Even if TUF used scouts (which they probably don't since it's an audition show) how would they know Mr. 0-0 is better if he hasn't fought anyone?

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I guess I'm more of a fan of "ability to be a star in the UFC" vs. "paid his dues fighting for $200".

The chances of a fighter with experience being a star is far greater than Joe Schmo who has a 0-0 professional record but claims his amateur record is 30-0 being one.

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Out of curiosity, why would they pick a 0-0 guy who they know is a worse fighter over a guy who is 3-0? Why would they do that? The only reasons I can think of would be if the 3-0 guy is a psycho, or quite possibly doesn't want to be on a reality show, neither of which is the fault of the producers. I want your take on it, though.

0-0 guy might be the one who likes to stir up **** in the house.

These reality show producers hire professionals who are paid to pick people with certain personality traits that butt heads the most. The producers may not pick all of them because they still need some quality fighters in the show, but I bet a decent amount of the fighters there Spike's choice.

Heatwaves · 03-11-2008, 12:15 AM

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There's a reason the UFC's keeping less and less fighters that they get from TUF.

That's actually incorrect. Other than a mild drop-off from last season, the amount of fighters the UFC has kept from TUF remains pretty consistent.

I had a hunch that your statement wasn't accurate, so I dorked out and looked it up.

Season 1 - 8 fighters are still in the UFC
Season 2 - 7-8 fighters are still in the UFC (depending on how you consider Melvin Guillard).
Season 3 - 5 fighters...
Season 4 - 7 fighters...
Season 5 - 8 fighters...
Season 6 - 5 fighters...

I'm not really seeing a declining trend here. It shows me that the UFC is pretty consistent with keeping between 5 - 8 fighters from a season of TUF.

I'll even give you the fact that Roman Mitchyan might not technically be considered a TUF fighter in Season 6. That drops the number down to 4. So last season may have been down, but that doesn't make a trend.

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This show used to be about taking the best up and comers and giving them a shot at the big leagues. Do I think a newbie should have a shot at TUF over a fighter with actual experience? Hell no! Some fighters out their bust their asses big time before they make it to a large organization.

Jason Reinhardt at 17-0 was rejected for TUF 5. When he finally made it to the UFC, he got choked out in 74 seconds and wasn't invited back.

Kenny Florian was 1-1 when he was given an opportunity at TUF 1.

Joe Silva may actually see something in those fighters at the auditions after all.

Crashsti · 03-11-2008, 11:47 AM

Season 4 of TUF had the most experienced group of guys to ever be on the show. It was also considered one of the least dramatic seasons. The UFC is looking for ratings as much as they are the next generation of great fighters. Inexperienced fighters will also bring the coaches into play more. You can bet that Dana wants Forrest and Rampage to have a much interaction with the fighters as possible to bring out their crazy personalities. I think this should be a very exciting show even if the fighters themselves are raw.

stillstanding · 03-13-2008, 05:13 PM

I'm having a hard time seeing Quinton and Forrest getting pissed at each other. I can see Forrest a little bit because reminds me of some of my friends in high school but this is going to be interesting.

giguer · 03-13-2008, 05:38 PM

That will never happen. But that would be the best show ever if a rivalry like Rampage and Wand happens between Rampage and Forrest

stillstanding · 03-14-2008, 02:30 PM

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That will never happen. But that would be the best show ever if a rivalry like Rampage and Wand happens between Rampage and Forrest

It did happen, look at the last part of the first post.

Eindar · 03-18-2008, 05:36 AM

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Originally Posted by F_B

Even if TUF used scouts (which they probably don't since it's an audition show) how would they know Mr. 0-0 is better if he hasn't fought anyone?

The chances of a fighter with experience being a star is far greater than Joe Schmo who has a 0-0 professional record but claims his amateur record is 30-0 being one.

0-0 guy might be the one who likes to stir up **** in the house.

These reality show producers hire professionals who are paid to pick people with certain personality traits that butt heads the most. The producers may not pick all of them because they still need some quality fighters in the show, but I bet a decent amount of the fighters there Spike's choice.

Name one guy who was worthless who stirred up the house. If you look at the guys who truly had no skill, they often had a few pro fights, and they almost never stirred anything up in the house.

I'm not naive, I know they're looking for personality, but they do bring the mat to the audition for a reason. They look at a lot of things, and the guys do some mat work against each other for the casting people, in addition to fight tapes.

Then, every once in a while, they cast a guy like Corey Hill or Tommy Speers who doesn't have hardly any fights, but have a ton of raw talent. I like watching those guys on the show, because while they're not there to win, you really do get to see them improve, and these are "project" guys who could be champs one day. So I think some of the 0-0 guys are possibly also guys who the casting people thought might have a future in the UFC just based on talent and athleticism.