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Snow Patrol · 05-20-2006, 11:12 AM

I think Tito is the better coach even though the show is edited. Either Tito just outright picked the most talented of the bunch or he is coaching them properly so they win almost every fight. What would be interesting is to start all over again and swap teams and see how different the outcomes are. I don't think Shamrock's team would be 5-1 up with Tito's guys, it would be much closer imo.

thecreewarrior · 05-20-2006, 12:26 PM

I think Shamrocks team does have some talent. Like Ed and Kalib are both pretty good and I wouldnt be suprised if they fight at the finale.

DrumzCT · 05-20-2006, 03:01 PM

I haven't seen the fight yet (waiting for the replay tonight) but anyone who trains even part time should be able to go pretty hard for two five minute rounds easily. Remember these guys are already fighters who should be used to going 3 rounds. Like I said before though, I haven't seen the fight yet but on the topic of cardio, these guys should be able to go to town for 10 minutes.

Snow Patrol · 05-20-2006, 03:06 PM

Yeah, unless nerves got to them cuz that sucks your energy very quickly.

sitnspin · 05-20-2006, 03:53 PM

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You are just trying really very hard to find a rationale to explain why you hate Shamrock. The simple fact is that Shamrock is, indeed, a good coach. The editing of the show is pure BS, and we all know that all too well. This episode showed that Shamrock is, in fact, coaching his team. If Tait had listened to Shamrock, then he would have won. Instead, Tait tried to stand up with Josh -- and LOST!

If anyone's trying hard to rationalize, it's you. I don't hate Ken Shamrock -- the guy's an absolute legend of the sport who's fought some really exciting wars.

I don't need to try too hard to come up with examples of why he's coming off like a bad coach. What have you got to the contrary? Tait ignored his instructions and lost, so Ken is a good coach? I could have stood beside that octagon and told Tait to stop trying to box with Josh and take it to the mat, and that wouldn't mean that I'm a good coach. It would just mean I can hang out and state the obvious.

Why are you so desperate to defend Ken's coaching skills when week after week we see him f**king up? Why can't you admit that he doesn't know what he's doing? And I reject the idea that it's not up to Ken and Tito to teach these guys how to train and fight. It appears that Tito's teaching his team A LOT, and in past seasons we've seen the same.

Face it -- Ken is way too caught up in being Ken Shamrock and strutting around demanding respect to train these guys the way they deserve to be trained. No grappling coach, days off when they should be doing cardio, making them hang around while he watches DVDs of HIMSELF in the octagon (fights that, as Kristian said, they've all seen dozens of times), overtraining a guy the day before his fight...

Should I go on?

_plex_ · 05-21-2006, 06:57 AM

I thought tait won that fight..its a sad day for TUF

subgenius · 05-21-2006, 08:22 AM

I think that too many people are fished into the way that the show is edited and then just assume that 42 minutes out of a week represents the sum total of a person's coaching ability. And, we do NOT even get 42 minutes. We only get about three to five actual minutes (or less) of the guys training or being trained. This whole BS about Shamrock's attitude is just more Reality TV show BS designed to create drama. You guys are seriously sucked in and fished in...

sitnspin · 05-21-2006, 08:25 AM

And yet you've made a firm decision about Shamrock's coaching ability based on even less information...

subgenius · 05-21-2006, 08:31 AM

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And yet you've made a firm decision about Shamrock's coaching ability based on even less information...

No, based on the Lion's Den and the fighters Shamrock has trained.

Shamrock did not step into coaching on the first day of TUF3.

St.Pierre_is_the_best · 05-21-2006, 01:10 PM

The way i see it, Dana should bring 2 LHW subs into the show, have an episode with 2 fights, have the Tait Josh fight, and the 2 subs fight, so that way they have two actual contestants for the fighters, it makes no sense that someone got back into the semis even though they lost their elimination fight.

sitnspin · 05-21-2006, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

No, based on the Lion's Den and the fighters Shamrock has trained.

Shamrock did not step into coaching on the first day of TUF3.

Subgenius, I would really love to let this go because we've talked about it enough and you're probably getting tired of me. But then you go and say something else that demands a response.

You're basing your defense of Shamrock's coaching ability on THE LION'S DEN? The Lion's Den might as well be called Ken Shamrock's Cult of Personality.
Aside from Ken, the only noteworthy world champions they've had are Guy Mezger and Pete Williams, and what have those guys accomplished since losing their titles years ago? What else is going on at the Lion's Den? Tra Telligman, Vernon White, Trevor Prangley... yeah, championship material all over the place. Compare The Lion's Den to Miletich, Team Quest, AKA, ATT, Chute-Boxe, etc, and you'll see that they don't measure up.

But hey -- if you want to see a really impressive section for T-shirts and posters and coffee mugs and caps and shorts, etc, The Lion's Den reigns supreme.

stillstanding · 05-23-2006, 09:17 AM

I watched the fight last night. I had Tait winning. Shoulda had a 3rd round. I thought that Tait lost gracefully though. That is a real winner in my book. By the way who is Ed fighting next episode?

subgenius · 05-23-2006, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Subgenius, I would really love to let this go because we've talked about it enough and you're probably getting tired of me. But then you go and say something else that demands a response.

You're basing your defense of Shamrock's coaching ability on THE LION'S DEN? The Lion's Den might as well be called Ken Shamrock's Cult of Personality.
Aside from Ken, the only noteworthy world champions they've had are Guy Mezger and Pete Williams, and what have those guys accomplished since losing their titles years ago? What else is going on at the Lion's Den? Tra Telligman, Vernon White, Trevor Prangley... yeah, championship material all over the place. Compare The Lion's Den to Miletich, Team Quest, AKA, ATT, Chute-Boxe, etc, and you'll see that they don't measure up.

But hey -- if you want to see a really impressive section for T-shirts and posters and coffee mugs and caps and shorts, etc, The Lion's Den reigns supreme.

You're acting like I said that The Lion's Den was the best of all, the be all and end all of MMA fighting schools. Did I ever really say THAT? No, I did not. But, you already proved my point in your comments. You list guys that were in the Den and have been champions. That fairly well proved my point about Ken Shamrock's ability to train MMA fighters. And, let us not forget that Shamrock has a lot more time and no 24/7 camera crew hounding him all the time when he trained those fighters.

And, I am certain that every fighter you just mentioned would crush any of the current cast members of TUF3.

The bottom line remains: TUF3 is a piss-poor example or display of any coaching at all, whatsoever, for both Ortiz and Shamrock. We have seen next to nothing by way of any real serious training. They edited the show so that we see maybe five minutes of actual training. We all know that these guys train two or three times a day for three hour sessions. Showing five minutes of that shows NOTHING.