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Gygax · 06-02-2006, 08:25 AM

I got a bad feeling Hamill is suffering from post-concussion syndrome. The guy is in phenomenal shape yet died after 1 round. He got rocked pretty good with a few of those punches. He was nauseous as hell afterwards and had that dazed look across his eyes. Very typical symptoms of PCS as I've seen it dozens of times. He likely started training while he still had symptoms from getting rocked by that Kendall knee in training, as he would have to in order to remain on the show. He was incredibly sloppy. Nichols was driving me crazy with the dropping of the head, turning his back, and plain dropping to the ground even when he wasn't hit. One time he got popped and Shamrock screamed "go to the ground". That was frustrating.

SmashingMachine · 06-02-2006, 08:49 AM

Yeah, I hope Matt's okay. That kid is a Bull Moose! He needs to learn better striking technique and defense, but he kept coming forward. Tatoo boy got tatooed...lol.

JoeRoganismyhero · 06-02-2006, 09:00 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

That was the most FRUSTRATING fight I've ever watched! Mike went in psychologically whipped. He convinced himself for days that Matt is such a monster ("a wild bear", etc) that he didn't give himself much chance of winning, regardless of what he said in the interview portions. So he went in and threw a bunch of sloppy punches with ZERO game plan. Shamrock had it right through the entire fight -- KICK HIM! USE YOUR KNEES!

If, as Mike said, he's improved his game immensely through being on the show and he went into this fight in the best shape of his life, I'd hate to see what he was like before this. He was scared, he fought a stupid fight, and he gassed early. Go home. He's supposed to have BJJ skills? Then how come he got Matt's leg and seemed to have no idea what to do with it?

I agree 100%. What where those punches Mike was throwing with his head down, I couldn't tell if he was punching or doing the swim! Matt left his arms down way to much though, a guy with heavy hands would have knocked Matt out IMo.

Ray433 · 06-02-2006, 09:06 AM

I would like to see Matt at 100%, perhaps his mental game would be stronger. As for the Post Concussion Syndrome, Matt did take a few flush upkicks to the face while leaning in over Mike on the ground

subgenius · 06-02-2006, 10:24 AM

Mike totally ignored Shamrock. Yet another example of Shamrock being a good coach and also being ignored by the fighter he coaches. Mike was told to throw knees and high kicks, but he did not do either. Then when he did listen, he was way too tired to do any high kicks.

Matt was a high kick target just sitting there like a duck. Every time Matt lowered his hands, Mike ought to have high kicked him in the head. Every time Matt lowered his head, Mike ought to have kneed him in the head. Ken Shamrock yelled that at Mike like a million times. But, these idiot fighters think their game plan is superior to a man who has done this for like 13+ years... Both Tait and Mike just ignored Shamrock, and they paid for it.

If I were Dana White, I would NOT put Mike Nichols or Tait Fletcher on any UFC shows.

SWIBC · 06-02-2006, 11:01 AM

nicely put Sub.
I kept telling my wife that Mike would have knocked Matt out if he would have thrown some knees. On the other hand several times Matt had Mike clinched and if he had any type of Muy Thai or Kickboxing he could also have knocked Mike out cold.
Oh wll hope Matt gets better b/c he will need it in is next match.

sitnspin · 06-02-2006, 11:19 AM

Subgenius, I've tried to get this across to you more times than I can remember. This logic is as screwed up as Brandon Vera's eyes:

A: Shamrock's fighter didn't listen to him.
B: Shamrock's fighter lost.
C: Shamrock is a good coach.

A+B does not equal C. I was in my living room saying that Nickels needed to throw some high knees. Does that mean I'm a good coach? Should I open an MMA gym? Should I tell Dana White that I'm available to coach on TUF5?

Shamrock was stating the obvious, and all we can learn from Nickel's unwillingness to take the advice was that he was scared, gassed, and a fish out of water. Maybe if Shamrock was a better coach, Nickels would have come in with a stronger game plan.

marnold · 06-02-2006, 12:45 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

That was the most FRUSTRATING fight I've ever watched! Mike went in psychologically whipped. He convinced himself for days that Matt is such a monster ("a wild bear", etc) that he didn't give himself much chance of winning, regardless of what he said in the interview portions. So he went in and threw a bunch of sloppy punches with ZERO game plan. Shamrock had it right through the entire fight -- KICK HIM! USE YOUR KNEES!

If, as Mike said, he's improved his game immensely through being on the show and he went into this fight in the best shape of his life, I'd hate to see what he was like before this. He was scared, he fought a stupid fight, and he gassed early. Go home. He's supposed to have BJJ skills? Then how come he got Matt's leg and seemed to have no idea what to do with it?

Yeah, I'm usually an optimist, but that was frustrating. If either fighter had: been in better cardio shape, had striking ability, could submit, etc, this could have been a better fight.

lwbfl · 06-02-2006, 01:19 PM

Wow, I just got to watch this episode this morning and I'm really dissapointed with Mike's performance. Matt didn't look so good either, but at least he can use his injury and the fact that he was fighting outside of his strong suit. It's bad to see what the pressure does to these seemingly good fighters when it all comes down to the big show.

Reildeal · 06-02-2006, 01:47 PM

Mike fought like a Joke. It looked like he had NO standup training at all. His punches were just ugly. Reminded me of how a 5 year old girl would punch(no offense ladies). And for a minute I thought that he had Matt's leg, and it's like he had NO idea what to do with it. At one point he had Matt's arm and couldn't get enough leverage to straighten it out and gave up on it. His showing was a pathetic one at best.

Matt's fighting wasn't spectacular, but I can definitely see a contender in him. With some serious training to round out his skills, he would be a beast. Especially if they can hone his standup and give him some BJJ skills. He gave up his strong game in order to stand up with Mike and still handed it to Mike. And let me just say that I think that guy REALLY has some heart. He gave it all he had until the final bell and wound up going to the hospital for it. I think it would be impressive if Matt got involved with the millitech system.

Sevensinsproject · 06-02-2006, 01:52 PM

Bisping looks like the fav. I expected more from both fighters, obviously more from matt, Mike looked lost and tired the whole fight...A knee hear a High kick there anything other than those lame punches, didin't he get Matt with one?
He could have taken it maybe....

marnold · 06-02-2006, 04:54 PM

What does this do to Tito after choosing Matt as his Golden Boy? I think Tito is devalued to a degree as a coach for putting so much blind faith into Matt.

Wandy is King · 06-02-2006, 07:30 PM

I was shocked to see Matt Hamill at the gym today. I joined recently and didn’t know he worked out there or was even in the area. Also he looks a lot bigger in person than on TV.

sitnspin · 06-02-2006, 10:13 PM

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I was shocked to see Matt Hamill at the gym today. I joined recently and didn’t know he worked out there or was even in the area. Also he looks a lot bigger in person than on TV.

What gym? Where in NY state are you? I know Matt went to school in Rochester -- does he live there now? Did you stand behind him and call him a big dummy, knowing that he couldn't hear you? Did you go "whoooooo!"?

subgenius · 06-03-2006, 09:28 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

Subgenius, I've tried to get this across to you more times than I can remember. This logic is as screwed up as Brandon Vera's eyes:

A: Shamrock's fighter didn't listen to him.
B: Shamrock's fighter lost.
C: Shamrock is a good coach.

A+B does not equal C. I was in my living room saying that Nickels needed to throw some high knees. Does that mean I'm a good coach? Should I open an MMA gym? Should I tell Dana White that I'm available to coach on TUF5?

Shamrock was stating the obvious, and all we can learn from Nickel's unwillingness to take the advice was that he was scared, gassed, and a fish out of water. Maybe if Shamrock was a better coach, Nickels would have come in with a stronger game plan.

Your math is ridiculous. Shamrock is a good coach, and those idiot fighters refused to listen. A fighter has a corner crew for a very specific and GOOD reason -- to advise the fighter. When the fighter is so retarded that they refuse that advice, then that has little to do with the coach.

Shamrock gave 100% the best and correct advice.

Scared? Gassed? Fish out of water? All that means NOTHING. He got on the show. He got into the octagon. This guy knew what he was getting into. All he had to do was listen to his own coach and he would have won.

Shamrock gave that kid (a 34 year old child with far too many tattoos) the very best advice. It was correct advice. Shamrock is a good coach whether YOU like it or not.

Mike Nichols needs to just go back home and run his tattoo shop and just forget about all this nonesense about wanting to be an Ultimate Fighter. Leave that to the serious fighters... The ones that listen to their coaches.

marnold · 06-03-2006, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

What gym? Where in NY state are you? I know Matt went to school in Rochester -- does he live there now? Did you stand behind him and call him a big dummy, knowing that he couldn't hear you? Did you go "whoooooo!"?

Good stuff.

Wandy is King · 06-03-2006, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by sitnspin

What gym? Where in NY state are you? I know Matt went to school in Rochester -- does he live there now? Did you stand behind him and call him a big dummy, knowing that he couldn't hear you? Did you go "whoooooo!"?

It's a place called The Fitness Mill in New York Mills just outside of Utica, NY. LOL nah

lvsuspect · 06-03-2006, 03:16 PM

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Originally Posted by subgenius

Your math is ridiculous. Shamrock is a good coach, and those idiot fighters refused to listen. A fighter has a corner crew for a very specific and GOOD reason -- to advise the fighter. When the fighter is so retarded that they refuse that advice, then that has little to do with the coach.

Shamrock gave 100% the best and correct advice.

Scared? Gassed? Fish out of water? All that means NOTHING. He got on the show. He got into the octagon. This guy knew what he was getting into. All he had to do was listen to his own coach and he would have won.

Shamrock gave that kid (a 34 year old child with far too many tattoos) the very best advice. It was correct advice. Shamrock is a good coach whether YOU like it or not.

Mike Nichols needs to just go back home and run his tattoo shop and just forget about all this nonesense about wanting to be an Ultimate Fighter. Leave that to the serious fighters... The ones that listen to their coaches.

To be a good coach, your team has to respect you. He was giving good advice, but Mike wouldn't listen to him because he didn't respect him.

Every single one of Shamrocks team showed that they respected him at the beginning. He ruined that. It is tuff to respect someone that doesn't seem to know what they are doing, or doesn't care about the team (like when Shamrock didn't show up for practice and his TEAM had to train in the back yard).

subgenius · 06-03-2006, 03:31 PM

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To be a good coach, your team has to respect you. He was giving good advice, but Mike wouldn't listen to him because he didn't respect him.

Every single one of Shamrocks team showed that they respected him at the beginning. He ruined that. It is tuff to respect someone that doesn't seem to know what they are doing, or doesn't care about the team (like when Shamrock didn't show up for practice and his TEAM had to train in the back yard).

You see, that is the BS I hate. None of us know what Shamrock has or has not done. All we know is that they said that on the show. But, the show is edited for dramatic affect. For all we know, Shamrock may well have had the guys in the gym all day every day for over a week. If you listen to Shamrock, he said that the guys NEEDED a rest. he gave that to them. BUT, the preview said that Shamrock simply failed to show up for a training session. The very next episode completely refuted that.

This is not about lack of respect. THAT is very clear. Kristian blatantly did NOT follow any directions before and during the match he had. He gassed out and was beaten badly, but it was NOT from lack of training or instructions. Jesse, Tait, and Solomon did the same thing. These guys have made it clear that they think that they know more about MMA than Ken Shamrock.

SeikanJudanski · 06-03-2006, 09:42 PM

Mh.. Interesting episode. For one thing, Mike is not cut to be an ultimate fighter, I think we can all agree on that, but I am also disappointed in Matt Hamill. I don´t think Matt will be a, UFC fighter, even if Tito has so much faith in him. I also don´t understand why he didn´t take the fight to the ground, he had so many chances to finish it. His stand up was better than Mike´s, but a world class striker would knock him out with ease. I think he should stick to Greco-Roman wrestling. Although the fight was a bloody brawl, don´t be fooled, level of the fight was very low, and Matt is not the future UFC lightheavyweight champion.