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Goeth27 · 07-19-2005, 10:43 PM

Kenny Florian

So he lost to Diego Sanchez but he still get's into the UFC, or did he make it on his own?

BronxBomber · 07-20-2005, 01:10 PM

Thats crazy to me, the guy was the worst middelweight in the competition, and makes it to the finals due to a lucky cut he gave to Leben, Only to get embarrased by Sanchez...AND NOW I HEAR HE GOT A CONTRACT..B**L****TTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTTT !!

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DrumzCT · 07-20-2005, 02:29 PM

i cannot believe that that pansy no talent piece of crap got a UFC contract.

lets see....

he sucks standing up

no strength

sucks on the ground (BJJ black or not, he did not demonstrate any grasp of groundfighting...except covering his bloody face when diego beat the crap out of him)

Goeth27 · 07-20-2005, 02:32 PM

I'm glad that i'm not the only one that is suprised.

RebLMunkE · 07-20-2005, 03:14 PM

From the show alone he sucks but I heard he did have some good fights before the show and Dana White seemed to like him from them fights so I guess he was having an off time or something

I'll judge him off his first fight against a puncher cuz he is fighting Alex K. on the UFC SPIKE card

If he looks good there then I'll not mind him as much but if he sucks it up again then he can go away A.S.A.P.

Gygax · 07-20-2005, 03:14 PM

A bunch of the losing TUF competitors are in the UFC on fight to fight contracts whereas the winners got 3 year contracts.

Florian should probably never have been on the initial series. He is a natural 170 who has fought multiple times at 155. On the show he was competing in 185. That's a 30lb difference from previous fights, 15lb minimum. That giving away alot guys.

I agree that he has very little standup. But he's a pretty legit at BJJ based on his previous experience.

BJJ Black Belt under Roberto Maia
2x Mass Destruction MMA Superfight Champion
USA vs Brazil Championship
2003 Brown Open – 2nd Place
Pan-American Jiu-Jitsu Championships
2003 Brown Middle – 3rd Place
2002 Brown Middle – 3rd Place
2004 North Eastern Grappling Championships - Pro Lightweight - 3rd Place
2004 Niteroi Freestyle Wrestling Championships Light Heavyweight – 2nd place
2003 Grapplers Quest Worlds – Superfight Absolute Professional – 3rd place
2003 Grapplers Quest US Nationals Expert Middleweight – 3rd place
2002 Abu Dhabi US Trials Invitee
2002 US Grappling 8-Man Superfight Division - Champion
2002 Copa Atlantica Brown Belt – Champion
2001 Kimono Kombat No-Gi Superfight - Champion
2001 International Pro-Am – Brown Belt Middleweight – 2nd place
2000 NAGA World Championships - Superfight Champion
2000 JBA Open Gi – Champion
1999 NAGA Advanced Gi Open – Champion
1999 NAGA Advanced Gi Middleweight – Champion
1999 Maine Skirmish - Superfight Champion
1999 Maine Skirmish Open – Champion
1999 Vermont Open Advanced Middleweight – Champion
1998 New England Open Advanced Open – 2nd place
1998 New England Open – Advanced Middleweight – Champion
1998 Maine Skirmish Advanced Middleweight – 2nd place
1998 Vermont Open Advanced Middleweight – Champion
1997 Maine Skirmish Open – 2nd place
1997 Maine Skirmish Advanced Middleweight – Champion
1997 New England Open Advanced Middleweight – 3rd place
1997 Wesleyan BJJ Championships Intermediate Middleweight – 2nd place

So while I believe he's not UFC quality, he is a pretty good fighter.

DrumzCT · 07-20-2005, 03:40 PM

Well, that's a big list there. I'll have to give him another chance after seeing those credentials. I don't think he's good enough on the ground to make up for the total lack of stand up though. We'll see though. Alex will be a good test.

Master Jones · 07-21-2005, 11:37 AM

I'm not sure from the Sanchez fight what he was planning on using for his game plan. It was like he was waiting for Diego to take him down. Then from there it didn't look like he knew what the hell he was going to do. Florian had this O' **** look on his face before the fight to. He didn't look focused, he looked more scared then anything. He just went to hell as soon as Diego took him down. It was like he forgot everything he knew.

guile · 07-21-2005, 12:35 PM

I really wasn't impressed with Florian and was very dissapointed when he advanced to fight Diego. I knew Diego would take him down and end it. Florian just took a beating the whole time. Leben would have atleast gave Diego a challenge.

I'd like to see Florian vs Leben rematch if anything.

Pittbull powerhouse · 07-25-2005, 10:56 PM

i actauly train under kenny and he is way more skilled then what he showed on the show if u get a chance to watch him fight again u should watch him he will suprise u how different he is from the show just my 2 cents

Rahkus · 07-25-2005, 11:32 PM

First of all Kenny isn't going to have a 6-figure contract like Bonnar and Griffin. Jason "Mayhem" Miller got $2,000 for his fight in UFC 52. I am guessing that Kenny will get something similar on a per fight basis.

It was obvious that Kenny was fighting above his natural weight class so give the guy some credit for trying. It's not easy being on the big stage and he was overmatched on top of that.

The UFC only stands to gain from having Florian fight again because people know who he is. Do I think he's a threat to Matt Hughes' welterweight title? No. Do I think he'll perfom better than he did in the tough final? Yes. He's not going to get many more chances so he needs to be impressive if he plans to continue fighting in the UFC.

ufc-Joseph-Bower-ufc · 07-27-2005, 04:44 PM

If he dosent smarten up in his next match with Alex i will lose all hope for him and wish for a quick end to his carrer even thow he did show heart in his ultimat fight he was the smaller man going in but he did look scared and u u think u arer going to lose u will

TommyGunSexy05 · 07-27-2005, 07:26 PM

and i thoguht i was the only one that thought =kenny was garbage.. for the TUf final i won sum big mmoney off of him... i kneww he was gonna fgget knocked out....how does he get into the ufc....

please

the olny thnig that excites me is fight night on aug 6th when i can see his ass get knocked out agian...sweet... peace it

Brandon_Dicken · 07-28-2005, 07:11 PM

kenny won some BJJ Tournys so yeah did qualify to be in there but do I think he's good enough to hang with MMA fighters. NO sorry he should stick to BJJ. Oh yeah that bul**** that mayhem only got paid 2000 for that fight he mights as well get a regular job

ChuLid · 07-30-2005, 10:38 PM

how can u stand diego id take kenny over diego anyday and its kina hard to fight on the ground if u cant see from all the blood in ur eyes

SmashingMachine · 07-30-2005, 11:16 PM

The thing that turned me off about him was the fact that he would not engage Diego in that fight. I can understand trying to avoid his takedowns and all, but if you're going to stay on opposite sides of the ring from the guy...why even fight? You got to engage him to beat him at some point. I read his credentials a few posts earlier, but I'm still not impressed with his BJJ either. Maybe it was nerves or the pressure of television or something. A good BJJ fighter could've defended himself after he got grounded. Kenny acted like he didn't know what to do when Diego took him down. It was reminiscent of the old UFC tourney days when the wrestlers took the strikers down...once they were off their feet they got smoked...and that's what Kenny looked like too.

TommyGunSexy05 · 07-31-2005, 02:35 PM

how can u stand diego id take kenny over diego anyday and its kina hard to fight on the ground if u cant see from all the blood in ur eyes
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Dude r u crwzy...kenny had no chance agaisnt deigo. diego was over powering hjim like he was 20 pounds bigger then kenny. kenny should of never beern in the fianls in the first palce. sum lucky ass cut.. next, watch ands see diego becoem the next middleweight champ, give him 2 years and he'll be there jsut watch.,..

ChuLid · 07-31-2005, 07:01 PM

Dude r u crwzy...kenny had no chance agaisnt deigo. diego was over powering hjim like he was 20 pounds bigger then kenny. kenny should of never beern in the fianls in the first palce. sum lucky ass cut.. next, watch ands see diego becoem the next middleweight champ, give him 2 years and he'll be there jsut watch.,..[/quote]

can u fight better than kenny and yea bitch i am crazy after listening to diego ramble about aliens for an hour that made me crazy kinda like u r making me now listen have u ever rolled or sparred with diego cause i have with kenny and that kid is one tough mother so stfu

ChuLid · 07-31-2005, 07:05 PM

Unfortunately I think my inexperience got the best of me and Diego Sanchez was the better fighter that night. I did not circle when I needed to and did NOT use the full strategy that was planned. After the takedown up against the fence, Diego did a quick pass that got me to wake up. I immediately put him back to guard and received a punch down directly on the nose. The punch did not hurt me but opened up a gash on the nose that sent blood streaming into both of my eyes. In two blinks, my eyes held pools of blood and I was completely blind only seconds of fighting on the ground. Not being able to see, I first covered up and felt him try to pass. I turtled up and felt him trying to take the back. I rolled and fell back to guard not really knowing where he was. If I was able to see exactly where he was I would have had a good chance to get on top of him or get back to my feet. Once again feeling him in open guard he passed into mount and of course saw the blood and kept punching. I actually got calmer when he mounted because I could feel exactly where he was and did not need to see where he was as much but I still needed to cover up to protect my face. My hope was to reverse from there and get on top hoping that the ref would see the blood everywhere. From there, I had hoped to get the cut cleaned up so I could go back at it. I never once considered tapping and was ready to fight blind, cut or whatever. Obviously, the fight was stopped and I lost. I was blind out there with an opponent mounted trying to punch me, the stoppage was correct.

People are talking about weight and strength being an issue. In my eyes, it was not the issue. I should have executed better, simple as that. I know I possessed the skills and mindset to defeat Diego Sanchez. The loss was devastating for me. I was angry and depressed. However, I have never let a loss break me. In my BJJ and submission career, it has fueled me to much greater things. It is hell for me right now but I am ready to fight every demon, climb whatever I need to climb and cross any pitfall that comes my way in order to win again. In MMA, and at the high levels, you can lose a million different ways which is why I respect anyone and everyone who gets in the ring/cage and fights. For others who have never done that but are quick to comment and criticize, until you go out there and actually fight, you have no idea. Their is a small % of the MMA community who crack me up. They are usually the people who don't train or have never fought in their life. They are the people who called Randy the best fighter in the world 2 weeks ago but then say he is washed up after the 2nd Chuck fight.

The training for this fight alone has made me a much better fighter and the experience of this loss has made me a wiser and more experienced fighter. I fought in the cage for the 2nd time in my life and in the biggest show on earth against a tough, experienced and talented fighter. As much as I have beat myself up for this loss, and as much as I feel like I let a lot of people down, I keep coming back to one thing, “I must move forward”. I am healthy, loved by friends and family and I am still able to fight another day. Things can be much worse and I am more motivated than ever to train and fight again.

The great Martin Luther King Jr. said “The ultimate measure of a man is not where he stands in moments of comfort and convenience, but where he stands at times of challenge and controversy.” And so begins my journey back. I have a contract with the UFC to fight again and I could be back as early as June or July. I will be ready to fight at 170 for sure and will be ready for 155 as well as soon as I get word that the division is back.
thats what kenny said

guile · 07-31-2005, 07:49 PM

First of all, stop with the "Dude r u crwzy's", "yea bitch's" and "so STFU's"...We do not allow those types of remarks or any strong language on FightForum...I don't care how much you know about fighting, if you can't clean up your comments (both of you), we don't want you here. That is the bottom line, clean it up - you have been warned.

I really would have been shocked if Kenny Florian beat Diego Sanchez. I had no doubt that Diego would get it to the ground and impose his will on Kenny. Kenny looked bad against Leben and luckily openned up that cut to advance.

I agree with Smashing, the only thing Kenny did was avoid confrontation as much as possible. His strikes were more like slaps...Blood in he eyes or not, once the fight got to the ground Diego would have overpowered him and broke his spirit.